(Talmud Sanhedrin 55b)
"You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!
(John 8:57)
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Notice from the above text, once read from context we find that the jews and jesus were having a face to face dialogue. Jesus spoke about Abraham that he was waiting to see his days..
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” (v56)
Yet the jews answered back :
"You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!
(John 8:57)
Now why did the jews say YOU ARE NOT FIFTY YEARS OLD? AND YOU HAVE SEEN ABRAHAM?? What difference would it make if jesus was 500 years old since the time gap between Abraham and Jesus would have been 4000 years...
Unless they were speaking of a man who lived during the time of Jesus called Abraham which would make more sense saying your not fifty and you know Abraham.
Its like saying your not 60 years old how can you say you saw JFK ( ex president) now the question is if jesus was meant to declare his divinity then why didnt he say before Adam was Iam?? Thats if we take the Iam as God even though thats not what it means! Why stop at Abraham how about Noah do you see the problem this causes for christians
This tells us according to john there must of been a man during the first century called Abraham whom the jews were taking as a pious man
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Here's the problem nowhere in the entire New Testament did Jesus ever utter the word Yahweh nor was the name Yahweh used by any of his disciples ?? So how could Jesus have been condemned as a blasphemer when he never uttered the name?
Neither did Jesus ever call himself God explicitly, which again could not condemn him as a blasphemer? Just for the record when Jesus supposed to have said :
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? ( John 14:9)
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. This alleged statement was specifically said to his disciple not to the Jewish rabbis, scribe Pharisees. Since the Jews were not present there this cannot apply as blasphemy as no Jews heard this statement to use it against him. Now coming to the statement such as :
Before Abraham was i am & I and the father are one. A closer inspection of these two alleged sayings nullify any idea of Jesus calling himself God or omitting blasphemy:
"You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!
(John 8:57)
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Notice from the above text, once read from context we find that the jews and jesus were having a face to face dialogue. Jesus spoke about Abraham that he was waiting to see his days..
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” (v56)
Yet the jews answered back :
"You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!
(John 8:57)
Now why did the jews say YOU ARE NOT FIFTY YEARS OLD? AND YOU HAVE SEEN ABRAHAM?? What difference would it make if jesus was 500 years old since the time gap between Abraham and Jesus would have been 4000 years...
Unless they were speaking of a man who lived during the time of Jesus called Abraham which would make more sense saying your not fifty and you know Abraham.
Its like saying your not 60 years old how can you say you saw JFK ( ex president) now the question is if jesus was meant to declare his divinity then why didnt he say before Adam was Iam?? Thats if we take the Iam as God even though thats not what it means! Why stop at Abraham how about Noah do you see the problem this causes for christians
This tells us according to john there must of been a man during the first century called Abraham whom the jews were taking as a pious man
Here's another problem
John 8:57:
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RANK: B
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NOTES: "and has Abraham seen you?"
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COMMENTS: A few copyists apparently changed the Jews' question to be more like Jesus' statement in verse 56 ("he would see my day; and he saw [it]").
The Textual Variant changes the entire message of the IAM saying wouldn't you say
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Jesus did not
call himself God John 10:30 nor did he blaspheme
I and my father
are one ( John 10:30) a typical saying used by every Christian evangelist. if only they
read the entire episode of what was said by each side, they could have spared themselves from such embarrassment
. Not only did Jesus call the Jews god's (John 10:34)
he also proved them wrong by calling himself a son of god negating such
statements by the Jews!
Jesus encounters the Jews
The Jews ask, who he really is?
Jesus tells them, he is doing his father’s job i.e. working for
God
Jews we’re still unsure ?
Jesus responses to them by saying “i and the father are one”
Jews picked up stones to stone him
Jesus challenged them by saying, why are they stoning him?
Jews replied to Jesus saying he blasphemed calling himself God
do you say of
him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’
because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? (John 10:36)
The question is why was is charged for blasphemy when he never committed such an act?
