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We read in exodus 32:15-16 moses received the two tablets which had writings on both sides?
how big were these tablets that Moses had?? Let's find out from Jewish sources!!
Tradition tells us that they were thick square blocks of stone, six handbreadths tall, six handbreadths wide, and three handbreadths deep. In modern measurements, that is about 18″ × 18″ × 9″. The sages of the Talmud demonstrate how tablets of this size—along with a few other relics—fit neatly into the Ark of the Covenant that Moses made as described in Exodus. Talmud, Bava Batra 14a.
From the above explanations which comes from rashis we are told the two tablets were very small that Moses carried with one hand Exodus 32:15
Now coming to Exodus 34:27 where god said write these words down, how does that answer the question where God said this bible you possess is a revelation from me.??? Was the entire Pentateuch written on two small tablets no bigger then a phone book???
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Where are those tablets now?? The answer is missing they are missing we don't have them anymore... Infact Moses predicted after him the Jews will turn to corruption so he ordered the tablets be kept in the ark of the covenant, however this is missing !
Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD,
"Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. (Deuteronomy 31:25-26)
This brings us to another problem : Did the The ark of the covenant hold the tables only ???
This brings us to another problem : Did the The ark of the covenant hold the tables only ???
There was nothing in the ark except the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt. (1 kings 8:9)
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having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant; (Hebrews 9:4)
Old Testament tells us the Ark of the Covenent held the tablets only, whereas the New Testament tells us it also had jar full of manna and Aaron's rod?? The question is why would the book of kings miss out the rest of the contents and hebrews not??
Did it take 1500 years until the Jews knew what other contents were inside the Ark? It had to be an unknown Author to tell us.
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(Problem 2)
containing the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. Inside the ark were the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. (Hebrews 9:4)
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The LORD said to Moses, “Cut for yourself two
tablets of stone like the first, and I will write on the tablets the words that
were on the first tablets, which you broke. (Exodus 34:1)
When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the
two tablets of the testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain,
Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking
with God. (Exodus 34:29)
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we have couple
of damaging problems with these two verses. can anyone tell me what they are?
(Problem 1)
Exodus 34:1 Yahweh says cut out another
set of two tablets and he will write the words that were on the first tablets.
well that's not true, since the commandments in Exodus 20 are not the same as
the second set Exodus 34, thus Yahweh either lied or made an abrogation. Also
one should note how comes Moses didn't make mention of the previous commandment
being different then the new one? Surely he could not have forgotten what the
previous "10 COMMANDMENTS" were, if he could remember to write them
down in the book of Exodus for everyone to read? Also from chapter 19 to 34
Yahweh gives Moses even longer laws to tell the children of Israel sure 10
commandments would be nothing for a man who remember 20 chapters of
commandments?
(Problem 2)
According to Deuteronomy 10:1-5, following God’s instructions, Moses built a wooden chest before he went up the mountain with the unmarked, second tablets that he prepared. After he came down with them, newly inscribed by God, he put them in the chest that God told him to make. This parallels, and is likely based on, Exodus 34:1-4, where God tells Moses to prepare the second tablets, but makes no mention of the building of a wooden chest for them. Nor is there mention of Moses putting the second tablets in a chest in Exodus 34:29. this means either the author wasn't aware of Deuteronomy or there was not wooden chest made in the first place, which places Deuteronomy as a dubious source in contrast to Exodus.
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Moses
led the people out of the camp toward God, and they took their places at the
foot of the mountain. (Exodus 19:17)
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The Gemara cites additional homiletic interpretations on the
topic of the revelation at Sinai. The Torah says, “And Moses brought forth the
people out of the camp to meet God; and they stood at the lowermost part of the mount” (Exodus 19:17). Rabbi
Avdimi bar Ḥama bar Ḥasa said: the Jewish people actually stood
beneath the mountain, and the verse teaches that the Holy One, Blessed be He, overturned the mountain above the
Jews like a tub, and said to them:
If you accept the Torah, excellent, and if not, there will be your burial. Rav
Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: From here there is a substantial caveat to the
obligation to fulfill the Torah. The
Jewish people can claim that they were coerced into accepting the Torah, and it
is therefore not binding. Rava
said: Even so, they again accepted it willingly in the time of Ahasuerus, as it is written: “The
Jews ordained, and took upon them, and
upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them” (Esther 9:27), and he taught: The Jews ordained what they had already taken upon themselves through
coercion at Sinai. (Talmud habbat 88a:5)
The Gemara provides the background for this claim: As it is written: “And they stood at the
nether part of the mount” (Exodus 19:17), and Rav
Dimi bar Ḥama says: The verse teaches that the Holy One, Blessed be He, overturned the mountain, i.e.,
Mount Sinai, above the Jews like a
basin, and He said to
them: If you accept the Torah, excellent, and if not, there,under the
mountain, will be your burial. The
nations of the world will claim that they too could have been coerced to accept
the Torah. (Avodah Zarah 2b:15)
Rashi Commentary
בתחתית ההר AT THE NETHER PART OF THE MOUNTAIN —
According to its literal meaning this signifies “at the foot of the mountain”.
But a Midrashic explanation is, that the mountain was plucked up from its place
and was arched over them as a cask, so that they were standing בתחתית beneath (under) the mountain itself (Mekhilta d'Rabbi Yishmael 19:17:2; Shabbat 88a).
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There
was nothing inside the Ark but the two tablets that Moses placed [there] at
Horeb, when the LORD made [a Covenant] with the Israelites after their
departure from Egypt. (2 Chronicles 5:10)
Wait!
Somethings not right here? Doesn't the book of Deuteronomy which was supposedly
written by Moses himself say " the Torah was also placed inside the Ark of
the Covenant".
Take
this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the
LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. (Deuteronomy
31:26)
How
comes the Ark which Solomon brought did not have the Torah inside Where did it
go?
Daat Zkenim
commentary
לקח את ספר התורה הזה,
“take this book of the Torah!” according to a Midrash, on this date, the
seventh day of the month of Adar, Moses personally wrote 13 Torah scrolls one
each for the twelve tribes. He read out of each one before each of the tribes
passages of warning, exhorting them to observe the Torah meticulously. He read
to the men and women separately, warning them to treasure their Torah scroll
and protect it from all hazards. Moses took the thirteenth Torah scroll and
deposited it in the Holy Ark next to the second set of Tablets. This
interpretation is based on the text of this verse, which appears portray him as
instructing the priests to do so, [as being “only” a Levite he had no access to
the Holy Ark inside the tabernacle. Ed.]
Rabbeinu Bahya Commentary
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ושמתם אותו מצד ארון ברית ה' אלוקיכם, “you are to place it on the side of
the Ark of the Covenant with the Lord your G’d.” It was to be placed inside the
Ark, on the side of the Tablets. The verse refers to the text of the song in
Haazinu. It should be deposited there next to the Torah scroll seeing that its
text was part of the Torah. It was to remain there permanently.
(Talmud
Bava Batra 14b:3
Rabbi Meir, who says that the Torah scroll
rested inside the Ark, what does he do with this verse: “Take this
Torah scroll and put it at the side of the Ark” (Deuteronomy 31:26)? The Gemara
answers: He requires that verse to teach that the Torah
scroll was placed at the side of the tablets, and that it was
not placed between the two tablets, but it
was actually placed inside the Ark at the side of
the tablets.
How
comes the Torah scrolls were not inside the Ark of the Covenant, where did it disappear to if the chest was unopened? Either Solomon picked up the wrong Ark of
the Covenant or the people of Moses did not listen to his instruction and put the
Torah inside the Ark of the Covenant. This means the author who claimed in
Deuteronomy 31:26 that the Torah was placed inside lied and gave misinformation
to its readers, deceiving them to believe something which never happened.
If the
"Torah" was placed in the Ark of the Covenant by the followers of
Moses by his instructions (Deuteronomy 31:26), how comes it wasn't in the Ark
when Solomon brought it back? (2 Chronicles 5:10)
Where did the Torah go? Who opened the Ark and took
out the Law of Moses, which was supposedly in the safest place on earth, inside
the Ark of Covenant build by the order of Yahweh (Exodus 25:10-40)
Christians claim they have the Torah from the time of
Moses, yet according to the own biblical sources the "Torah"(law of
Moses) was missing before the time of Solomon.
The question is, how do you know the "Torah"
which you have now is the exact same Torah which Moses wrote and put inside the
Ark? How do you even know if Moses even put the Torah inside the Ark? If
Moses's followers really put the Torah or Law of Moses inside the Ark, why
wasn't it found inside the Ark?
Christians rather
than asking us about the Torah of Moses. Ask yourself where and what happened
to the Law of Moses i.e. the Torah which Moses wrote placed inside the Ark. How
did it disappear into thin air? If it was
that easy to open the Ark and take the Torah, then it wouldn't be hard to
rewrite a new Torah.
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Rabbi Shimon said to him: Is it possible that the Torah scroll was missing a single letter? But it is written that
God instructed Moses: “Take this
Torah scroll and put it by the side of the Ark of the Covenant” (Deuteronomy
31:26), indicating that the Torah was
complete as is and that nothing further would be added to it. (Talmud Menachot 30a:7)
If nothing was included after the Torah was
placed inside the Ark (Talmud
Bava Batra 14b:3), how did (Chapter 31:26 all the way till the end of
Deuteronomy chapter 34:12 make its way to the Torah when it was safely locked inside
the Ark? Who opened the Ark and added all those chapters?
Moses snatched the tablets from Gods hand.
"the Holy One wanted to seize them from Moses’s hand, but Moses’s hand had the better of it and seized them from Him."
[Jerusalem Talmud Taanit 4:5:2]