"you shall not defraud" is not found in the law of commandments. So where did Jesus get such a commandment from? how could Jesus add to the law when the Torah strictly forbids any kind of addition to it's law? could it be the law was actually given to Moses, but throughout time due to scribal alterations that saying washed away. or did Jesus quote from a Rabbi from his time, saying that the Talmud makes mention of this exact saying which Jesus added the law.
Friday, 30 September 2016
Jesus adds "you shall not defraud" to the law
"you shall not defraud" is not found in the law of commandments. So where did Jesus get such a commandment from? how could Jesus add to the law when the Torah strictly forbids any kind of addition to it's law? could it be the law was actually given to Moses, but throughout time due to scribal alterations that saying washed away. or did Jesus quote from a Rabbi from his time, saying that the Talmud makes mention of this exact saying which Jesus added the law.
Problems with the Lord's Prayer found in Matthew and Luke.
- The Lord's Prayer ([Matthew] 6:7-13)... The Lord's Prayer is found in a rather different form in Luke 11:2-4. It is astounding how little legalism the early Christians showed in transmitting the words of Jesus.
Christian liturgical usage knows a doxology following SM/Matt 6:13: "For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory into the ages. Amen"... This doxology, however, was not part of the "original" Lord's Prayer; it was not part of the Matthean SM [Sermon on the Mount] either. The reasons for excluding it are text-critical: the best and oldest manuscripts do not have it, and the earliest commentaries on the Lord's Prayer do not know of it.580 Also, the parallel in Luke 11:4 does not have it.581 In addition, those manuscripts that do contain a doxology have it in a variety of forms.
580 Tertullian [160-225 A.D.], Origen [185-254 A.D.], and Cyprian [martyred 258 A.D.] do not know of it.
581 Interestingly, variant readings do not exist that would insert it into Luke 11:4.
----------Mary Baker Eddy, in Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (Boston: The Writings of Mary Baker Eddy, 1910, page 16), says,
There is indeed some doubt among Bible scholars, whether the last line is not an addition to the prayer by a later copyist; but this does not affect the meaning of the prayer itself.Bruce Metzger, in his definitive Textual Commentary of the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (New York: United Bible Societies, 1994), comments regarding verse 13:
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The ascription at the close of the Lord's Prayer occurs in several forms... Some Greek manuscripts expand "for ever" into "for ever and ever," and most of them add "amen." Several late manuscripts ... append a trinitarian ascription, "for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit for ever. Amen." The same expansion occurs also at the close of the Lord's Prayer in the liturgy that is traditionally ascribed to St. John Chrysostom.
The absence of any ascription in early and important representatives of the [most reliable manuscripts], as well as early patristic commentaries on the Lord's Prayer..., suggests that an ascription, usually in a threefold form, was composed (perhaps on the basis of 1 Chr 29, 11-13) in order to adapt the Prayer for liturgical use in the early church. Still later scribes added "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
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There you have it, a complete mess! If the authors can't agree with the Lord's Prayer a simple 4 line statement how trust worthy is the NT? Later prayers added just for convenience could you even consider this as the word of God Or words of men's ? WHAT A SHAME!!!!!
Am I Cherry picking ??
Question posed by christians only backfires on them!!!
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Christians apologists often bring up the Surah 9:30 from the Quran, where Allah Swt informs us how the Jews called Ezra the son of God, and how Christians call Jesus the son of God. They specifically focus on Ezra saying nowhere do we find in the Bible that Jews called Ezra the son of God?
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Firstly, correction the Quran is referring to a specific group of Jews, they were the Jews from Yamen who claimed that Ezra was the son of God, so it wasn't all the Jews only specifc..
There is historical evidence that Jews did refer to Ezra as the son of Allah: the Encyclopaedia Judaica states, "H. Z. Hirschberg proposed another assumption, based on the words of Ibn Hazm, namely, that the 'righteous who live in Yemen believed that 'Uzayr was indeed the son of Allah.' According to other Muslim sources, there were some Yemenite Jews who had converted to Islam who believed that Ezra was the messiah. For Muhammad, Ezra, the apostle of messiah, can be seen in the same light as the Christian saw Jesus, the messiah, the son of Allah." Encyclopaedia Judaica, Ibid., p. 1108."
Secondly to make matters worse, we read in Ezra and Nehemiah According to the Hebrew Bible he returned from the Babylonian exile and reintroduced the Torah in Jerusalem. Your very bible the NT says in Romans 8:14, anyone led by the spirit of God is a son of god? And since Ezra was one of the reason the Torah was revived surely he should be classed as a son of God right?
Talmud tells us It has been taught: R. Jose said: Had Moses not preceded him, Ezra would have been worthy of receiving the Torah for Israel. Of Moses it is written, And Moses went up unto God(Sanhedrin 21b)
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Now let's use the same method Christians use and twist it back on them :
So the Pharisees said to one another, "See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the WHOLE WORLD has gone after him! (John 12:19)
seriously the "WHOLE WORLD" went after Jesus ? Do you see how Christians fall into a dilemma if we was going to switch it back on them. Now if we ask did the Whole World really go after him, naturally the answer from them will be NO!"it was a small group or people from the region a local area not the entire world". Why should we accept your explanation whilst you don't accept ours?
Second Dilemma
Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." (John 4:20)
The above is a dialoug between Jesus and the Samaritan lady. Notice her saying, YOU JEWS claim that the place of worship is in Jerusalem. can Christians tell us, which Jews said place of worship is in Jerusalem Exclusively?
Third Dillemma
And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, both nigh and far, (Esther 9:20)
Seriously Mordecai wrote letters to ALL THE JEWS?
Forth Dilemma
For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,f 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind (1 thessalonians 2:14-15)
Perhaps the most interesting passage to backfire on them. According to Paul the Jews Killed Jesus? Seriously the Jews killed Jesus? We shall leave that with you to Deal with.
When Christians say no Jews took Ezra as the Son of God ask them the above Questions!
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Ezra had the hand of God on him, i.e. God was with him always. Here's what Paul said about such people
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For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ (Matthew 11:18) can you show us where in history Jews said John the Baptist has a demon?
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Any evidence of Jewish rabbis eating camel meat?
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The Messiah (המשיח- Ha-Mashiac) is mentioned 4 times in the
"Torah" all refer to the Leviticus priests. Here's the problem, Jesus
said Moses wrote about him (John 5:46) if this is true, why don't we find any
reference where Moses wrote המשיח pointing to
Jesus? where is this text?
According to Luke 13:33, Jesus is not a Prophet
hence, Deut 18 does not apply to him. Furthermore, we find that according to
the Talmud "that Prophet" in Deut 18 will have the authority to
change the law, Tal Yavamot 90b. Jesus said he did not come to break the law
Matt 5:17.
Bible Verses about Israel, Idolatry of
- Exodus 32:1-6
Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, "Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him." And Aaron said to them, "Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me." So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, "This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!" So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, "Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD." Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
- 2 Kings 17:7-18
For so it was that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, who had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and they had feared other gods, and had walked in the statutes of the nations whom the LORD had cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made. Also the children of Israel secretly did against the LORD their God things that were not right, and they built for themselves high places in all their cities, from watchtower to fortified city. They set up for themselves sacred pillars and wooden images on every high hill and under every green tree. There they burned incense on all the high places, like the nations whom the LORD had carried away before them; and they did wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger, for they served idols, of which the LORD had said to them, “You shall not do this thing.” Yet the LORD testified against Israel and against Judah, by all of His prophets, every seer, saying, “Turn from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by My servants the prophets.” Nevertheless they would not hear, but stiffened their necks, like the necks of their fathers, who did not believe in the LORD their God. And they rejected His statutes and His covenant that He had made with their fathers, and His testimonies which He had testified against them; they followed idols, became idolaters, and went after the nations who were all around them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them that they should not do like them. So they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, made for themselves a molded image and two calves, made a wooden image and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger. Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them from His sight; there was none left but the tribe of Judah alone.
- Ezekiel 20:13
Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.
- Ezekiel 20:16
because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.
- Amos 5:25-26
"Did you offer Me sacrifices and offerings
In the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
You also carried Sikkuth your king
And Chiun, your idols,
The star of your gods,
Which you made for yourselves.
- Exodus 20:5
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
- Exodus 32:9-10
And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people! Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation."
- 1 Kings 11:4-5
For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
- 1 Kings 11:9
So the LORD became angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned from the LORD God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice,
- 1 Kings 12:31
He made shrines on the high places, and made priests from every class of people, who were not of the sons of Levi.
- 1 Kings 12:33
So he made offerings on the altar which he had made at Bethel on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, in the month which he had devised in his own heart. And he ordained a feast for the children of Israel, and offered sacrifices on the altar and burned incense.
- Psalm 78:40
How often they provoked Him in the wilderness,
And grieved Him in the desert!
- Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened,
That it cannot save;
Nor His ear heavy,
That it cannot hear.
But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
And your sins have hidden His face from you,
So that He will not hear.
- Jeremiah 3:7-10
And I said, after she had done all these things, ‘Return to Me.’ But she did not return. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense," says the LORD.
- Ezekiel 20:24
because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were fixed on their fathers' idols.
- 1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
- 1 Corinthians 10:13-14
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it. Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
The reason the Israelites obeyed Jeremiah and abolished counting the months from Nisan, as we have seen, is perhaps because they based their action upon the interpretation of a biblical verse, as we find in the Tosafot on the first chapter of the treatise Megillah, that the reason Ezra changed the written characters when he returned from the exile was because of his interpretation of a biblical verse. “He shall write him a copy of this law (התורה ×ž×©× ×”),” he interpreted to mean, a writing that is destined to change (mishne, ×ž×©× ×”, from the rabbinic shanah, ×©× ×”, to change). Or it may be that they obeyed Jeremiah because his precept did not concern any of the ten commandments, or because there was no intention to abolish any of the Mosaic commandments, but to commemorate the second redemption as they commemorated the first. For they had a tradition that it should be commemorated, provided that the exodus from Egypt should not be ignored, as the Rabbis say, “Not that the exodus from Egypt should be entirely removed.” (PHILOSOPHY Sefer HaIkkarim Maamar 3, Chapter 19)
Chapter twenty-two explains that the Torah which has been handed down to us by tradition and which we have today is the identical one that was given to Moses on Sinai without any change, and that it was not changed in the days of Ezra. It explains also the statement of the Rabbis that certain words in the Torah were corrected by the Soferim. ( PHILOSOPHY Sefer HaIkkarim Forward, 91)
The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their wives. (Genesis 6:2)
Interesting, the Talmud names the sons of god Uzza "Azza" and Azael. (Yoma 67b, Kallah Rabbati 3:9). Very close to the Arabic name Uzair. Bear in mind Hebrew names are often Arabicized
Azael is the son of God according to the Jews (Tal Yoma 67b Kallah Rabbati 3:9). Aaron the priest sacrificed two goats to Yahweh & Azael in the wilderness (Levi 16:8) Question is, why would Aaron the priest make a sacrifice to Azael?
Is "Aza" Azael the Arabicized name for Uzayr?
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Moses made no mention of Ezra that he will revive the Torah to the Jews after the Babylonian exile. Nor did Jesus make any mention of Ezra, yet this man was a prominent figure to the Jews from saving them going back to disbelief. In fact, the Talmud states “Had Moses not preceded him, Ezra would have been worthy of receiving the Torah for Israel.” (Sanhedrin 21a) In the Talmud, Ezra is also praised for having restored the Torah (Sukkot 20a) If Ezra can be a man of God (Ezra 7:6) who was neither mentioned by Moses or Jesus, why then can't you accept Prophet Muhammad Pbuh as the final Messenger, rather than asking where is he mentioned by the Prophets in the Bible?
Even after we show you from your text where Prophet Muhammed Pbuh was mentioned, you still reject?
Was Moses mentioned in any scripture before he was born? The Jews accepted him as a prophet regardless of that. And lots of other prophets for that matter! So for Abraham and other prophets, the people who rejected them were right in rejecting them because they never heard of them before they came on the scene?
Then the Jews have the right to reject Jesus because his name does not show in their Torah. This is how they continually put their foot in their mouth, and have given the people who went before them a wrong excuse for rejecting prophets that were sent to them.
Full video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3lNeGUrPk&t=358s
Uzayir according to Rabbi Ben Abrahamson
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