The only good
thing about korede is, he is one predictable guy. Rather than addressing my post
specifically on the Biblical verse, he’s doing what he’s good that, and that is
dodging the initial post and making up his own twist. I made a comparison between both scriptures,
which make mention of Moses Pbuh. Below is the actual post which I made.
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And so they travelled on. Then, when they met a young boy and the man killed him, Moses said, ‘How could you kill an innocent person? He has not killed anyone! What a terrible thing to do!’(Surah 18:74)
Notice from the above verse, how Moses Pbuh was shocked when the young boy was killed. We can clearly see how Moses Pbuh was against such an act. He made it clear this was unacceptable, killing an innocent person is prohibited.“What a terrible thing to do "Nukra" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!". Though later in the story we find out why this young boy was killed, and the wisdom behind it, the fact that Moses Pbuh disliked and objected such an act only goes to show that he was a just and upright Prophet who would never kill an innocent person.
Now compare this with a verse from the Bible.
Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every infant girl so you can devour them. (Number 31:17-18)
Notice how Moses of the Bible was commanded to kill innocent boys and women. This was a direct command by Yahweh, did you notice Moses did not object to it. Rather Moses and hes followers went on a killing spree,killing innocent people left right and center. Not only killing innocent people, but also taking infant (Taph) girls so they can be devoured (used for sexual pleasure). What does that tell you about the characteristics of Moses from the Bible comparing to the Quran, a major difference.
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As you can see
from the above post, korede finds no problem with the Biblical narration of
Moses and his treatment towards Midianites.
Rather than seeing a problem he turns to the Quranic narration pointing
fingers. Let’s look at the Quranic narration before we dwell into the Bible.
In
Surah 18 we find a narration of Moses Pbuh regarding his search for wisdom. The
story goes to tell us, how Moses Pbuh alongside his servant went on a journey
seeking for a man with extraordinary knowledge given by God Almighty. Thus Moses
Pbuh a true seeker of knowledge made his mission to find this man (Al Kidr), so
he can benefit from his given knowledge. Throughout his journey, Moses pbuh
different types of wisdom through one man. Below is a commentary explaining why
the “young boy” was slayed.
Commentary
“In
these verses the slaying of the young boy is explained as a mean of sparing his
parents grief and distress over the rebellion
and disbelief he would exhibit later in life. However, given that the boy
is described as still very young, his parents would not have yet witnessed rebellion and disbelief from him and
thus could only have considered his death as tragedy, not knowing what the
future difficulties God had spared them. Thus in connection with these verses,
Ibn Kathir quotes the hadith, “God
does not decree anything for a believer, save that’s is better for him”(IK).
Moses’ objection to Khidr’s slaying of the boy is based upon religious law that forbids the killing of innocents, whereas khidr’s explanation indicates that’s the
slaying was commanded as an act of wisdom and ultimately of mercy on the part
of the Omniscient God. The story also serves as a narrative demonstration of
the difference between God’s will for human being as discerned through the prescriptive
commands found in Sacred Law and revelation and His ultimate Will or Decree, which
transcends human understanding. It thus serves as a source of meditation on the
different levels of God’s Will and the relationship between Divine Will and
human justice.”
From
the above commentary it’s clear why the young boy was slayed, and how his
slaying has spared his parents from grief as well as how he was saved from
becoming rebellious and a disbeliever. A great wisdom which played a perfect
role towards these individual, both parents and child were spared from grief
and disbelief.
Now
korede may say “God still got that innocent boy killed” and the answer to that
is for the better good. The Quran made it clear why the young boy was slayed
and what future impact he would have brought to his parents. In many places in
the Quran we told to obey our parents. this is also found in Hadiths. We are
urged in both Quran and Hadith to obey our parents, look after your parents, don’t
even say “Uff” to them. Even if you parents are disbelievers still listen to them,
obey them as long as they don’t force you to worship any others false deities besides
Allah Swt obey them. So you can see obeying your parents is a command from
Allah Swt. Now Al Khidr was a special
man with God given Knowledge which no average person had. He was a “unique man”
during the time of Moses pbuh who had extraordinary knowledge from God
Almighty, where he could make precise judgement and deal with the matter there
and then.
Now
coming to the Biblical narration. Can korede truly claim that Moses was against
such act towards innocents children? If so maybe he can show us from the Bible
where Moses protested with Yahweh on such despicable order. In fact this isn’t the
only time Yahweh killed innocent children. According to the Bible
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going
up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to
him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" When he
looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then
two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their
number. (2 Kings 2:23-24)
Lets look at this closely, little children were mocking
Elisha and he “cursed then with the name of the Lord” and 2 she bears came and
tore 42 children. The Hebrew word used for children is “Naar” (age between 3 to
10). So notice how Elisha used the name of the “LORD” and 2 she bears immediately
came out and mauled those kids. What did those innocent kids do? Only mock that’s
all! Its normal for children to mock that’s their age for playing and mischief they
don’t know right from wrong, but Yahweh had no problem getting them killed by 2
bears imagine how frighten those children were when they were being mauled by 2
giant bears.
Same goes for Numbers 31:17-18 Moses was commanded by Yahweh
to kill all men, and boys alongside all women who have slept with men, but to
keep all infant girls so they could be devoured (raped). Can you imagine such a
mass murder by the command of Yahweh? What wisdom did Yahweh have behind the
killing of all those young boys? why didn’t Moses object to such a horrific
killing spree. Young boys babies, infants all under the sword of Moses and his
followers why? Maybe korede can show us the wisdom of Yahweh.
One can’t make a comparison of the story of Al Khidr
slaying one young child with the killing of thousands if not hundreds of
innocent children. We know why the young
boy was slayed by Al Khidr and the wisdom behind it, but for what reason were
all those innocent children killed by the command of Yahweh? Yahweh also was on
the side of Elisha when he was mocked. Again what is the wisdom behind killing
those innocent 42 boys?
It doesn’t stop here, throughout the entire Old Testament
innocent children were always the victim of Yahweh this one verse sums it all
up.
How blessed will be the one who grabs your babies and
smashes them on a rock!
(Psalm 137:9)
We
hope korede can tell us the wisdom behind the above horrific, gruesome statement.
And also condemn such sick repulsive actions towards innocent children, babies,
infants by Yahweh. Another problem I want to point out is the Old Testament is
clear a disobedient child should be killed.
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because
they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
(Leviticus 20:9)
Again maybe korede can show us what is the wisdom behind killing a child
if he/she curses their parents?
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Either Jesus or the author got it wrong. The question is, which one?
1 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” 3 He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 5 But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.(Matthew 15:1-6)
Either Jesus of the author got it wrong. Tradition of the elders does not say to wash hands, rather washing hands as purity is found in the Torah.
The washing of hands is required before eating a meal at which bread is served. One reason for hand washing is purely mundane: to clean them before eating. The origin of this law, however, is biblical (Exodus 30:17-21). Moses was commanded to make a copper laver and to place it at the entrance to the altar area so that Aaron and his sons could wash their hands before approaching the altar to offer sacrifices. Verse 20 concludes, “. . .and it shall be for them a statute forever.” The washing of hands makes them ritually pure. This symbolic expression of washing away impurity from one’s hands dates back to Temple times, when the priests (Kohanim), as described above with Aaron, devoted their lives to the Temple and its sacrificial system. Before performing any ritual, a Kohein was required to wash his hands, making himself pure and ready to offer a sacrifice.
Saying this was tradition makes Jesus or the author ignorant of the "Torah" this raises the question, did they even know about Exodus 30? Was not Jesus a learned rabbi? Calling the commands of Yahweh as traditions of the elders dismissed the validity of that book. Note, the author is writing what the Pharisees said which cannot be verified, since he was a Christian he won't favour the Jews in the first place. Also Jews don't claim washing hands is a tradition
