Wednesday, 18 January 2017

Sacrifice?

How can Jesus have sacrificed himself when God raised him back to life again? Let's examine this claim, Sacrificing something or someone only happens when you want something back in return? If God sacrificed himself what did he get in return when he already owns EVERYTHING? What could god possibly gain from sacrificing  himself when he Owns everything and do what he likes whenever he wants? What good will that do to him?

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What does sacrifice mean?

sacrifice
ˈsakrɪfʌɪs/
noun
  1. 1
    an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to a deity.
    "they offer sacrifices to the spirits"
    synonyms:ritual slaughter, hecatomb, immolation, offeringoblation

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    So God sacrificed himself to himself in order to forgive mankind from a sin which he created himself? And how can you say God sacrificed himself or his son whichever way you see it, when he brought himself or his son back to life again which means there was no sacrifice and nothing was lost ? It's like giving away your old car knowing you have a new one?

    Thus Jesus could not have Sacrificed himself when he was brought back to life.. In reality Nothing was lost? So where's the sacrifice



    The tradition of sacrifice is not that after a animal  is slaughtered it is raised back to life again, then the whole purpose of sacrifice is meaningless.

    How can Jesus be a sacrifice when he was brought back to life again? Since when did the Jews sacrifice animals in the temple they took, saw them come back to life again? The entire sacrifice will have no meaning. A sacrifice is made to receive something in return so, your sacrifice is gone or given away not to return.

    If Jesus came back to life after sacrificing himself that is according to Christians, than wheres the sacrifice if nothing is lost? So, in reality nothing was given up nor any sacrifice made.

    That's whole point of giving a life i.e. animal for sacrifice. Christians claim God gave his son to redeem the sins of mankind as the perfect sacrifice, yet this son was brought life back so, how is it a sacrifice when the whole point is to give up this life?

    Makes no sense Christians claiming a sacrifice was made.

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    Leviticus 17:11 use on alter
    Leviticus 1:2
    Leviticus 5:11

    Jonah 3:7-10 sins forgiven for Ninevites

    Numbers 16:47  no blood needed

    Numbers 31:50  no blood needed

    Isaiah 6:6-7 sins purged.  Fire stops bleeding

    Leviticus 4: 1-2 blood sacrifice done through unintentional sin no intentional.

    Pre meditated sin wont for sins. Blood sacrifice is for accidental sin.

    Numbers 15:30-31 sin on him

    Numbers 5:6-7  sin on him and no blood sacrifice.  Confess the sin you have done.

    Jeremiah 7:22-23 Yahweh said he never commanded blood sacrifice

    Where does Yahweh say to do a blood sacrifice

    Leviticus 1:1-2 the word used is "IF" not that yahweh commanded them to

    Leviticus 4:32 sin offering lamb must be a female. Jesus was a male. Jesus of the bible was scorged and beaten so he wasn't blemish. Crown of thorns bleeds. Lamb doesn't know how to sin. Without blemish does not mean without  sin. Without blemish means no problem with your skin.

    1 he was human
    2 he was male not female
    3 he was not blemish

    Deuteronomy 12:30-31  following. Jews wanna follow the pagans after being saved. Human sacrifice is an abomination something he hates.

    Jeremiah 19:4-6 human sacrifice was not commanded

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    No sacrifice / statue

     

     

    Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:21-22

     

     

    The showed gratitude by giving an offering not tat God asked them too. The command always starts with “If” you are to bring a offering, not that you must bring an offering.

     

     

    No, God does not desire animal sacrifices.

    The book of Psalms is the first book of the Bible to claim that God does not desire animal sacrifices.


    Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire. Psalm 40:6

     

    Will I eat of the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Psalm 50:13

     

    For thou desirest not sacrifice ... thou delightest not in burnt offerings. Psalm 51:16

     

            Some prophets make the same claim.

     

    I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. Isaiah 1:11

     

    He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man. Isaiah 66:3

     

    Your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. Jeremiah 6:20

     

    Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:21-22

     

    For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6:6

     

    Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams? Micah 6:6-7

     

             And then Jesus says the same thing a couple of times (quoting Hosea).

    I will have mercy, and not sacrifice. Matthew 9:1312:7

     

     

     

    Child sacrifice was commanded of the Israelites by Yahweh, the biblical God.


    You shall not delay to offer from the fulness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me. (Exodus 22:29-30)


    The context of this passage concerns offerings and sacrifices, and it says God requires firstborn sons to be literally sacrificed to him. Later on we find Yahweh admitting he commanded this to Ezekiel


    Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD (Yahweh). (Ezekiel 20:25-26)


    Disturbing how Yahweh intentionally played with the Israelites to teach them a lesson, later admitting why did he did it.This again goes back to Ezekiel where Yahweh testifies he is a deceiver.


    "If any prophets are DECEIVED into giving a false answer, it is because I, the LORD, have DECEIVED them... (Ezekiel 14:9)

    In other words Yahweh deceived Moses the Prophet of the Jews and later tried to justify his deeds to what he did to his people. Interesting how Yahweh told Ezekiel of his evil scheme. could it be the later Jews were questioning child sacrifice to Yahweh?

     


    also read Numbers 14:20 from context














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