God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8)
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The above passage raises a couple of serious problems for Christians. Notice how the texts read during the second coming of Jesus he will have alongside with him powerful Angels who will punish those who do not obey the gospel of Jesus!. Think about this for a moment, Christians tell us Jesus is a loving peaceful man who never hurt a fly. Yet this passage portrays a very evil dangerous figure no less than Hitler who was trying to dominate the world.
One of the other problem found in this passage is the short time span? What do we mean by that let me elaborate. According to the passage when Jesus arrives with his angels and finds anyone who is not obeying him should be destroyed seems very unfair, why because from a historical point the story of Jesus did not reach each and every person. Which means hundreds and thousands were unaware of Jesus and his gospel. If that's the case and Jesus was supposed have arrived those innocent people who knew him not would have been destroyed!. Paul himself wrote in Thessalonians that he is expecting Jesus anytime which says a lot if Paul was living during the 1st century. There are other passages found in the bible which reads that the second coming of Jesus will be a very violent one.
at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,.....
(Philippians 2:10-11)
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" (Luke 19:27)
I want to point out that the above passage says anyone who doesn't obey the gospel of Jesus will be destroyed. You can say Luke 19:27 is a parable which is true, but note this is talking of Jesus's second coming
Now coming back to The Initial passage 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8 if Christians were going to apply this standard of Muslims them we will pass with flying colours. How did I come to this concludes well Muslims believe in the Gospel of Jesus Pbuh, we do not believe In the gospels (plural) rather the singular Gospel which was originally given to Jesus Pbuh. And in the Gospel of Jesus we find the true message where Jesus Pbuh himself said to worship Allah Swt the true God and not to associate partners with him if anyone does then paradise will be forbidden for him. Every Muslim on the planet accept and obey such command.
However on the other hand Christians believe in what Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John said they don't have the gospel of Jesus. This is a fact which Christians admit to. So in short Jesus of the bible returns he will bring Angels and kill whosoever doesn't obey him. This also means the freedom of religion will be taken away.
Ask yourself this question is Jesus of the bible loving and peaceful or violent taking away all religious freedom killing innocent people!
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ReplyDelete‘Jesus said to [Judas], ‘Friend, do what you are here to do.’ Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and arrested him. Suddenly, one of those with Jesus put his hand on his sword, drew it , and struck the slave of the high priest, cutting off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, ‘Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.’ (Matthew 26:50-52. NRSV. Emphasis added)
Whatever one might think of whether Christians can be pacifists or whether they can use violence in self-defence, the context supports the comments of the ESV study Bible on this passage:
‘True disciples of Jesus do not seek to advance or impose God’s will on others through violent means.’
response :
1. jesus already told his disciples to arm themselves
2.disciples drew the sword because they knew that jesus did not always object to using violence
3, mark has no rebuke . go and check marks version. jesus does not rebuke the guy who chopped of the ear. mark has his jesus responding to those who came to arrest him.
the only reason they were carrying arms was to protect themselves against jesus’ disciple who carried out an attack, so jesus’ response in mark makes no sense.
think about it. if pontius pilate knew jesus told his desiples to arm themselves would pontius pilate transfer jesus from one place to another and have sweet dialogue with him? he would have crucified him upside down. but each writer is careful not to reveal anything to pilate.
4. the gospels are lies, how is it possible jesus is the only one arrested and the rest aren’t ?
5. there is more to this guys arrest which is being covered by the later liars.
6. why did the other writers have desperate need to add jesus’ rebuke?
7. notice that in matthews version, jesus thinks that his god can send angelic back up to demolish the arresting authorities? this means jesus’ mind is VIOLENT minded. one can compare him to budda and other pacifists and ask if they had violent mind like jesus .
8. this is differed violence, not putting away violence but waiting for violence when the time is right.
9. jesus wants to receive a thrashing because he thinks it would cool of his daddy’s anger. jesus is not saying “no ” to violence , it is just that he has a need to appease yhwh
10. jesus’ is only “fulfilling” what is allegedly was written for him in old testament. the violence in the divine plan cannot be INTERRUPTED otherwise jesus might get SAVED and the divine plan messes up.
11. the greater violence shall come after jesus gets a thrashing by god himself
12. jesus then says , a few verses later
” but i tell u … you will see the son of man coming seated at right hand of power….”
referring to the verses in psalms where yhwh makes enemies his footstool.
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what we see is that jesus is not non-violent buddist. the man uses differed violence until his greater violence shall come . if noah waited 900 years and turned the other cheek, and then god brought judgement upon the people, why can’t one say god brought judgement upon the pagans, jews and christians in saudi arabia? ???