Wednesday, 20 February 2019
Stephen Atkin's unknown witnesses
Jews concealing their scriptures
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Moses chose seventy men from among his people for Our appointment and,
when they were seized by an earthquake, he cried, “My Lord! Had You willed, You could have destroyed
them long ago, and me as well. Will You destroy us for what the foolish among
us have done? This is only a test from You—by which You allow whoever you will
to stray and guide whoever You will. You are our Guardian. So forgive us and
have mercy on us. You are the best forgiver. (Surah 7:155)
Compare to what the bible says
But Moses entreated the LORD his God, saying, “O LORD, why does Your
anger burn against Your people, whom You brought out of the land of Egypt with
great power and a mighty hand?
Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? TURN FROM THY FIERCE WRATH, AND REPENT OF THIS EVIL AGAINST THY PEOPLE
And the LORD REPENTED of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. (Exodus 32: 11-12-14)
SubhanAllah. The Quran clearly shows how the Hebrew bible lied against God.
And who is more unjust than he who invents a lie about Allah ? Those will be presented before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord." Unquestionably, the curse of Allah is upon the wrongdoers. (Surah 11:18)
And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know. (Surah 3:78)
Surah 7:160 and compare with Numbers 20:7-12
Surah
28:48-49 / Scrolls both scripture / Torah, Moses. Both books
48. But
when the truth came to them from Us, they said, “If only he was given the like
of what was given to Moses.” Did they not disbelieve in what was given to Moses
in the past? They said, “Two works of magic backing one another.” And they
said, “We are disbelieving in both.”
49. Say,
“Then bring a scripture from God, more conductive to guidance than both, and I
will follow it, if you are truthful.” (Surah 28:48-49)
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29. Recall
when We dispatched towards you a number of jinn, to listen to the Quran. When they
came in its presence, they said, “Pay attention!” Then, when it was concluded,
they rushed to their people, warning them.
30. They
said, “O our people, we have heard a Scripture, sent down after Moses,
confirming what came before it. It guides to the truth, and to a straight path.
31. O our
people! Answer the caller to God, and believe in Him; and He will forgive you
your sins, and will save you from a painful punishment.” (Surah 46:29-31)
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35. Does
he possess knowledge of the unseen, and can therefore foresee?
36. Or
was he not informed of what is in the Scrolls of Moses? (Surah 53:35-36)
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They do not value God as He
should be valued, when they say, "God did not reveal anything to any human
being." Say, "Who revealed the Scripture which Moses brought—a light
and guidance for humanity?" You put it on scrolls, displaying
them, yet concealing much. And you were taught what you did not know—neither
you, nor your ancestors. Say, "God;" then leave them toying away in
their speculation. (Surah 6:91)
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18. This
is in the former scriptures.
19. The Scriptures
of Abraham and Moses. (Surah 87:18-19)
Monday, 18 February 2019
Exodus an impossible journey
Talmud Daughters Become Talmud Wives
that exists in regard to woman's position in Jewish life.
"The relation of the wife to the husband was,
to all intents and purposes, that of a slave to her master,"
are the words of a writer in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics.
That this judgment is radically false
may be proved from hundreds of instances throughout Scripture.
but a woman may not sell her daughter.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 115
What We Have Learned Thus Far
Do Your Own Research
What's Coming Up?
- A father owns everything his daughter finds and earns
- A father is urged to marry his daughter off before puberty
- A father can sell his minor daughter into marriage, concubinage, or slavery
- A rape victim must marry the rapist
- After marriage, the husband owns everything the wife finds and earns
- The only way a married woman can acquire wealth is through inheritance or gift
- A husband has exclusive use of his wife's inheritance while she is alive, though it remains hers
- A husband can divorce his wife at any time on payment of a settlement (kethubah)
- A kethubah can be nullified for failure to perform wifely duties properly
- A kethubah can be nullified if the wife has physical imperfections, anything from a hunched back to bad breath or moles
- A wife dismissed without kethubah faces destitution; hence the threat of divorce gives a husband almost absolute authority over his wife
- A wife cannot divorce her husband
- If a wife runs away, she has no property to take with her. She is a pauper
- If she goes with another man without a divorce, she and the other man are stoned
- On rare occasions a Beth din (court) may force a husband to give his wife a divorce
Some Important Legal Definitions
MISHNAH. THE SAGES SPOKE OF [THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF] A WOMAN IN FIGURATIVE SPEECH: AN UNRIPE FIG, A FIG IN ITS EARLY RIPENING STAGE AND A RIPE FIG. SHE IS LIKE AN UNRIPE FIG' WHILE SHE IS YET A CHILD; A FIG IN ITS EARLY RIPENING STAGE' WHEN SHE IS IN THE AGE OF HER MAIDENHOOD. DURING BOTH THE LATTER AND THE FORMER AGES, THEY RULED, HER FATHER IS ENTITLED TO ANYTHING SHE FINDS AND TO HER HANDIWORK AND TO THE RIGHT OF INVALIDATING HER VOWS. 'A RIPE FIG' — AS SOON AS SHE BECOMES A BOGERETH, AND HER FATHER HAS NO LONGER ANY RIGHT OVER HER.
WHAT ARE THE MARKS [OF A BOGERETH]? R. JOSE THE GALILEAN SAYS: THE APPEARANCE OF THE WRINKLE BENEATH THE BREAST. R. AKIBA SAYS: THE HANGING DOWN OF THE BREASTS. BEN AZZAI SAYS: THE DARKENING OF THE RING AROUND THE NIPPLE. R. JOSE SAYS: [THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BREAST TO A STAGE] WHEN ONE'S HAND BEING PUT ON THE NIPPLE IT SINKS AND ONLY SLOWLY RISES AGAIN.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 327
GEMARA. … Our Rabbis taught: What are the marks of bagruth? R. Eleazar son of R. Zadok stated, When the breasts begin to shake. R. Johanan b. Beroka stated, When the top of the nose (17) grows white. But is not a woman when this grows white already old? — Rather said R. Ashi, when the top of the nose splits. (1) R. Jose stated, When a ring is formed around the nipple. R. Simeon stated, When the mons veneris grows lower.
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 328-329
- The central circle of the oblate part of the breast (Jast.),
- Aliter (Jast.). When the skin of the central circle of the oblate part of the breast appears wrinkled.
Bogereth. A girl from the age of twelve and a half years plus one day onwards.
Na'arah. A girl between the ages of twelve years and one day and twelve and a half years plus one day.
Erusin. (Lit., 'betrothal') — a formal betrothal, which cannot be annulled without a bill of divorce
Nissu'in. The ceremony of home-taking, which completes the marriage
Get. A deed or legal document; when used without further specification denotes generally a writ of divorce.
Usufruct. In the civil law, the right of enjoying a thing, the property of which is vested in another, and to draw from the same all the profit, utility, and advantage which it may produce, provided it be without altering the substance of the thing. — Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition
Intellectual Orientation Toward Women
CHAPTER I commences by stating how a woman is acquired in marriage. The unit of thought, or the connecting link, however, is not marriage but acquisition, and the Tractate immediately proceeds to discuss the modes of acquisition employed elsewhere, viz., for Hebrew and heathen slaves, real estate, movables, and how the Sanctuary acquires property.
- Sc. the sum of money or object of value which the man gives to the woman as a token of betrothal which constitutes the required kinyan.
Kinyan. 'Acquisition'; the legal acquisition of either landed or movable property.
Daughters May Be Sold
MISHNAH. … A MAN MAY SELL HIS DAUGHTER, (5) BUT A WOMAN MAY NOT SELL HER DAUGHTER. A MAN MAY GIVE HIS DAUGHTER IN BETROTHAL (6) BUT A WOMAN MAY NOT GIVE HER DAUGHTER IN BETROTHAL.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 115
- As a bondwoman (Ex. XXI, 7).
- Without her consent when she is a minor.
- If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
…- And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Betrothed by Intercourse
MISHNAH. A FATHER HAS AUTHORITY OVER HIS DAUGHTER (1) IN RESPECT OF HER BETROTHAL [WHETHER IT WAS EFFECTED] BY MONEY, (2) DEED (3) OR INTERCOURSE; (4)
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 265-266
- While she is under the age of twelve and a half years and one day.
- Sc. the money belongs to him.
- The receipt of the deed by him effects his daughter's betrothal.
- It is within his rights to allow such an act to have the validity of a kinyan (v. Glos.).
Father or Husband Owns Her Labor
MISHNAH. … HE IS ENTITLED TO ANYTHING SHE FINDS AND TO HER HANDIWORK; [HE HAS THE RIGHT] OF ANNULLING HER VOWS (5) AND HE RECEIVES HER BILL OF DIVORCE; (6) BUT HE HAS NO USUFRUCT (7) DURING HER LIFETIME. (8) WHEN SHE MARRIES, THE HUSBAND SURPASSES HIM [IN HIS RIGHTS] IN THAT HE HAS (9) USUFRUCT DURING HER LIFETIME, (10) BUT HE IS ALSO UNDER THE OBLIGATION OF MAINTAINING AND RANSOMING HER (11) AND TO PROVIDE FOR HER BURIAL. R. JUDAH RULED: EVEN THE POOREST MAN IN ISRAEL MUST PROVIDE (12) NO LESS THAN TWO FLUTES AND ONE LAMENTING WOMAN.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 266
- V. Num. XXX. 4ff.
- If she was divorced during her betrothal before attaining her adolescence (v. Glos. s.v. bogereth).
- Of property that came into her possession from her mother's side.
- Such property passes into the possession of a father as heir to his daughter only after her death.
- In addition to the privileges enjoyed by a father.
- Cf. infra 65b, Kid. 3b.
- If she was taken captive.
- For his wife's funeral.
Not Ownerless Property
MISHNAH. … THE DAUGHTERS OF ISRAEL ARE NOT OWNERLESS PROPERTY.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 738
MISHNAH. SHE REMAINS (8) UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HER FATHER UNTIL SHE ENTERS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HER HUSBAND [BY GOING INTO THE BRIDAL CHAMBER] AT MARRIAGE. IF HER FATHER DELIVERED HER TO THE AGENTS OF THE HUSBAND SHE PASSES UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HER HUSBAND. IF HER FATHER WENT WITH HER HUSBAND'S AGENTS OR IF THE FATHER'S AGENTS WENT WITH THE HUSBAND'S AGENTS SHE REMAINS UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HER FATHER. IF HER FATHER'S AGENTS DELIVERED HER TO HER HUSBAND'S AGENTS SHE PASSES UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HER HUSBAND.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 276
- [H], lit., 'for ever', 'always'.
Status of a Young Girl
Contracts Enforceable by Death
GEMARA. … Shila taught: There are three modes [of execution] in the case of a [betrothed] damsel [who played the harlot]. If witnesses appeared against her in the house of her father-in-law [testifying] that she had played the harlot in her father's house she is stoned at the door of her father's house, as if to say, 'See the plant that you have reared'. If witnesses came [to testify] against her in her father's house that she played the harlot in his house she is stoned at the entrance of the gate of the city. If having committed the offence she eventually attained adolescence she is condemned to strangulation.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 254
Some Hope for Fatherless Girl
MI'UN. Lit., 'refusal'); a declaration by a fatherless girl who has been married off by her mother or brothers under age, that she does not wish to live with her husband. Such a declaration made by her in the presence of a Beth din secures her freedom without the requirement of a Get.
MISHNAH. WHICH MINOR MUST MAKE THE DECLARATION OF REFUSAL? (1) ANY WHOSE MOTHER OR BROTHERS HAVE GIVEN HER IN MARRIAGE WITH HER CONSENT. IF, HOWEVER, THEY GAVE HER IN MARRIAGE WITHOUT HER CONSENT SHE NEED NOT MAKE ANY DECLARATION OF REFUSAL. (2)
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 746
- If she desires to leave her husband.
- She may leave her husband without any legal formality, and may marry any other man.
Marriage to Ants and Cabbage Heads
GEMARA. … A woman is satisfied with any sort [of husband] as Resh Lakish said. For Resh Lakish stated: 'It is preferable to live in grief (13) than to dwell in widowhood'. (14) Abaye said: With a husband [of the size of an] ant her seat is placed among the great. (15) R. Papa said: Though her husband be a carder (16) she calls him to the threshold and sits down [at his side]. (1) R. Ashi said: Even if her husband is only a cabbage-head (2) she requires no lentils (3) for her pot. (4).
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 469, 470
- Or 'together', 'as husband and wife'. V. following note.
- Yeb. 118b. This is a woman's maxim. She prefers a married life of unhappiness and misery to a happy and prosperous life in solitude. [H] (adv.) 'with a load of grief', 'in trouble' (Jast.) Aliter: (Cf. supra n. 13) 'two bodies' (Rashi); 'two persons' (Levy).
- A woman's opinion of a married life (v. Yeb. l.c.).[H] pl. of [H], 'a free woman'.
- [H], 'flax-beater' (Rashi), a watchman of vegetables' (Aruch.), i.e., of a poor and humble occupation.
- To shew her friends that she is a married woman. She is proud to be in the company of a husband however humble his occupation and social status.
- [H], i.e., 'dull', 'ugly' (v. Jast.): 'of a tainted family' (Rashi).
- I.e., even a cheap vegetable.
- A woman is content to dispense even with the cheapest enjoyments for the sake of a married life.
Either Wives or Whores
GEMARA. As it has been taught: Do not profane thy daughter to cause her to be a whore; R. Eliezer said: This refers to marrying one's [young] daughter to an old man. R. Akiba said: This refers to the delay in marrying off a daughter who is already a bogereth. (1)
R. Kahana said on R. Akiba's authority: The only poor in Israel is the subtly wicked and he who delays in marrying off his daughter, a bogereth. (2) But is not one who thus delays himself subtly wicked? (3) — Abaye answered: [76b] This is its meaning: Which poor man is subtly wicked? He who delays marrying off his daughter, a bogereth. (4)
… He who loves his wife as himself and honours her more than himself, (8) and leads his children in the right path, and marries them just before they attain puberty — of him Scripture saith, And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin. (9)
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 517
- Having attained puberty, she may become unchaste if not married. Marriage, of course, was then at a far earlier age than now.
- This is explained further on.
- Why 'and he who delays etc.': the two are identical. His wickedness consists in that he keeps her unmarried, that he may profit by her labour whilst endangering her chastity.
- Through his poverty he delays her marriage, that he may profit from her labour, The poor man has no other opportunity of cunning wickedness
…- By providing her with fine ornaments (Rashi).
- Job. V. 24. This proves that it is meritorious to marry off one's children whilst minors.
Punishment for Rape — Who Is Punished?
MISHNAH. … WHAT [IS THE DIFFERENCE] BETWEEN [THE PENALTIES OF] A SEDUCER AND THOSE OF A VIOLATOR? THE VIOLATOR PAYS COMPENSATION FOR THE PAIN BUT THE SEDUCER DOES NOT PAY COMPENSATION FOR THE PAIN. THE VIOLATOR PAYS (8) FORTHWITH (9) BUT THE SEDUCER [PAYS ONLY] IF HE DISMISSES (10) HER. THE VIOLATOR MUST DRINK OUT OF HIS POT (11) BUT THE SEDUCER MAY DISMISS [THE GIRL] IF HE WISHES. WHAT IS MEANT BY (12) 'MUST DRINK OUT OF HIS POT'? — EVEN IF SHE IS LAME, EVEN IF SHE IS BLIND AND EVEN IF SHE IS AFFLICTED WITH BOILS [HE MAY NOT DISMISS HER]. IF, HOWEVER, SHE WAS FOUND TO HAVE COMMITTED AN IMMORAL ACT OR WAS UNFIT TO MARRY AN ISRAELITE HE MAY NOT CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH HER, FOR IT IS SAID IN SCRIPTURE, AND UNTO HIM SHE SHALL BE FOR A WIFE, [IMPLYING] A WIFE THAT IS FIT 'UNTO HIM.
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 218-219
- To the damsel's father.
- Even if he marries her.
- This is explained infra.
- [H], an earthen vessel used as a receptacle for refuse or as a plant pot; i.e., the violator must marry his victim whatever her merits or defects.
- Lit., 'how'.
- If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
- Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Rape As a Crime Against Property
MISHNAH. THE FOLLOWING ARE STONED: … HE WHO COMMITS ADULTERY WITH A BETROTHED MAIDEN.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 359
Talmud Popularizers vs. the Talmud
— Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
"Torah" refers to all 24 books of the 'written law' plus the 'oral code' as written and compiled by the ancient rabbis in the Mishnah and the Talmud.
…
The Torah also made marrying a woman against her will illegal and imposed extremely harsh penalties on rape.
— Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz
… although a father may marry off his daughter and cancel her vows, his authority is limited to minor daughters who have not yet reached the age of sexual maturity (twelve). Neither a father nor any other individual may impose his will on an adult daughter or attempt to force her into a marriage against her will.
— Rev. Dr. Abraham Cohen
According to Talmudic law, 'a man is forbidden to give his daughter in marriage while she is a minor, until she is grown up and says, I wish to marry so-and-so (Kid. 41a). If he married her while in her minority she could repudiate the marriage on reaching the age of twelve, and have it annulled without a divorce.
CHAPTER II returns to betrothal, with which the whole is exclusively concerned. It treats of betrothal by proxy; more detailed laws on money or its equivalent as one of the modes of betrothing a woman; conditional betrothal; and the simultaneous betrothal of more than one woman.
MISHNAH. A MAN CAN BETROTH [A WOMAN] THROUGH HIMSELF OR THROUGH HIS AGENT. A WOMAN MAY BE BETROTHED THROUGH HERSELF OR THROUGH HER AGENT. A MAN MAY GIVE HIS DAUGHTER IN BETROTHAL WHEN A NA'ARAH [EITHER] HIMSELF OR THROUGH HIS AGENT.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 204
GEMARA. … A MAN MAY GIVE HIS DAUGHTER IN BETROTHAL WHEN A NA'ARAH. Only when a na'arah, but not when a minor: this supports Rab. For Rab. Judah said in Rab's name. One may not give his daughter in betrothal when a minor, [but must wait] until she grows up and says, 'I want So-and-so.'
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 205
Protection of the Kethubah
- When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
KETHUBAH. (Lit., 'a written [document]'); (a) a wife's marriage settlement which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced or on the death of her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin is two hundred zuz, and for a widow remarrying one hundred zuz; (b) the marriage contract specifying the mutual obligations between husband and wife and containing the amount of the endowment and any other special financial obligations assumed by the husband.
The kethubah — the deed of marriage settlement instituted primarily with the object of protecting a wife against hasty divorce, had to be drawn up and duly completed before the consummation of marriage. In view of the right vested by the Bible in the husband to divorce the wife at his pleasure — a theoretical right which the Rabbis could not entirely set aside - it was felt that no woman could enter upon matrimony with a free and easy mind without being in possession of this safeguard to her marital security. The Sages accordingly forbade marital relations as long as the kethubah had not been completed. Furthermore, they declared that it was forbidden for husband and wife to live together for a single moment without a kethubah (B.K. 89a); and where the kethubah was lost, they had to abstain from intercourse until another kethubah had been made out.
What Price Virginity? One Hundred Zuz
The minimum amounts of the kethubah to which virgins, widows, divorcees or other women belonging to the various strata of social and religious life are entitled, and the conditions governing the forfeiture of her kethubah by a wife in the absence of her virginity, are duly indicated …
MISHNAH. A MAIDEN — HER KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ], AND A WIDOW — A MANEH. A MAIDEN, WHO IS A WIDOW, [OR] DIVORCED, OR A HALUZAH FROM BETROTHAL — HER KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ], AND THERE LIES AGAINST THEM THE CHARGE OF NON-VIRGINITY.
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 52
Rabbis Have Virginity Tests
GEMARA. … 'My master, I have had intercourse [with my newly-wedded wife] and I have not found any blood.' She [the wife] said to him, 'My master, I was a virgin.' He said to them: Bring me that cloth. (1) They brought him the cloth, and he soaked it in water and he washed it and he found on it a good many drops of blood. (2) [Thereupon] he [Rabban Gamaliel] said to him [the husband]: Go, be happy with thy bargain.'
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 50
- Upon which they spent the night.
- The blood was covered by semen.
GEMARA. … 'My master, I have had intercourse [with my newly-wedded wife] and I have not found any blood.' She [the wife] said to him, 'My master, I am still a virgin.' He [then] said to them: Bring me two handmaids, one [who is] a virgin and one who had intercourse with a man. They brought to him [two such handmaids], and he placed them upon a cask of wine. [In the case of] the one who was no more a virgin its smell (1) went through,(2) [in the case of] the virgin the smell did not go through.(3) He [then] placed this one [the young wife] also [on a cask of wine], and its smell (4) did not go through. He (5) [then] said to him:(6) Go, be happy with thy bargain.(7)
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 50-51
- I.e., the smell of the wine.
- One could smell the wine from the mouth (Rashi).
- One could not smell the wine from the mouth.
- I.e., the smell of the wine.
- Rabban Gamaliel.
- To the husband.
- The test showed that the wife was a virgin.
Contraception
Double Standards
In 1999, the Supreme Court agreed to consider an amicus brief based wholly on Talmudic law (see Sentence and Execution).
In November 2002, the American Orthodox Jewish community held a kosher dinner in the Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the National Institute for Judaic Law. (6) The dinner was attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices. The purpose of the Institute is to introduce Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools.
It is thus the clear civic duty of every American to become intimately acquainted with the Talmud. Read articles at:
America's New Government Church: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_1.html
Death Penalty: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html
Kosher Dinner: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jp-11-09-2002 and http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jw-01-08-03
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