Not a shred of evidence

The curtains of the temple were torn during an earthquake, yet not a shred of evidence of this mysterious event. Not a single Jewish rabbi or scribe made mentioned of such a great event how comes?

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. (Matthew 27:51)

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Not a shred of evidence from Jewish (antiquity) sources outside the bible. Nothing mentioned from historians such as Josephus, Tacitus, Philo. The Talmud doesn't even give a hint, that the TEMPLE CURTAINS WERE TORN IN HALF OR AN EARTHQUAKE HAPPENED HOW COME?

Christian website evidence for Christianity had this to say when someone posted a similar question :

"As far as I know there is not other written source confirming this particular event other than the gospels. It is highly doubtful that any Jews would have reported this incident (other than those who converted to Christianity, of whom there were many). It would have been an embarrassment. In fact, we have relatively few Jewish writers from this time who reported day-to-day events, so the likelihood of this particular event showing up in another extant writing would be quite remote."

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What a shame can you imagine an event so sacred to Christians have no historical credibility. No primary to prove this to be true? Not a single outside historical evidence is available

Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah. In this work, Edersheim states

The Veils before the Most Holy Place were 40 cubits (60 feet) long, and 20 (30 feet) wide, of the thickness of the palm of the hand, and wrought in 72 squares, which were joined together; and these Veils were so heavy, that, in the exaggerated language of the time, it needed 300 priests to manipulate each. If the Veil was at all such as is described in the Talmud, it could not have been rent in twain by a mere earthquake or the fall of the lintel, although its composition in squares fastened together might explain, how the rent might be as described in the Gospel.

Edersheim does not specifically document the statement about the veil’s thickness, but in the context refers to Talmudic sources. Continuing searches brought up Maurice Henry Harris, Hebraic Literature: Translations from the Talmud, Midrashim and Kabbala (M. Walter Dunne, 1901). In this work, we find:

Three hundred priests were told off [sic; the idea is that they were designated] to draw the veil (of the Temple) aside; for it is taught that Rabbi Shimon ben Gamliel declared in the name of Rabbi Shimon the Sagan (or high priest’s substitute), that the thickness of the veil was a handbreadth. It was woven of seventy-two cords, and each cord consisted of twenty-four strands. It was forty cubits long and twenty wide. Eighty-two myriads of damsels worked at it, and two such veils were made every year. When it became soiled, it took three hundred priests to immerse and cleanse it. Chullin (Harris, pp. 195-96)

This quotation references a passage from the Mishnah, the early codification of Judaism’s “oral law” — explanations of the Torah. Here is the passage from Herbert Danby’s translation of the Mishnah:

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel says in the name of R. Simeon son of the Prefect: The veil was one handbreadth thick and was woven on [a loom having] seventy-two rods, and over each rod were twenty-four threads. Its length was forty cubits and its breadth twenty cubits; it was made by eighty-two young girls, and they used to make two in every year; and three hundred priests immersed it. (p. 161, bracketed material is part of the original quote, not my addition.)

A curtain so thick and wide cannot tear like paper. This a pure nonsense. No wonder the Jews had a problem with this pathetic story.


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Korede wrote:

What's the Historical evidence that some Jews were turned into Apes by Allah?

Response : before you Jump to the Quran, maybe you should answer what your book says, since it was available 600 years before the Quran. what is the historical evidence that Lots wife turned into salt? can you prove it historically?

And just for the record. Jews do believe some people were turned into apes, during the tower of babel.

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THE GENERATION OF THE DIVISION, [THEY] HAVE NO PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME, etc. What did they do? — The [scholars of] the school of Rabbi Shila taught: [They said,] ‘Let us build a tower, ascend to heaven, and cleave it with axes that its waters might gush forth.’ In the West [Eretz Yisrael] they laughed at this: If so, they should have built it on a mountain! (Rather) Rabbi Yirmiyah bar Elazar said: They split up into three parties. One said, ‘Let us ascend and dwell there’; the second, ‘Let us ascend and worship the gods (lit., serve the stars)’; and the third said, ‘Let us ascend and wage war [with God].’ The party which proposed ‘Let us ascend, and dwell there’ — the Lord scattered them. The one that said, ‘Let us ascend and wage war,’ were turned to apes, spirits, devils, and night-demons. Whilst as for the party which said, ‘Let us ascend and serve idols’ — ‘for there the Lord did confound the language of all the earth.’ It has been taught: Rabbi Natan said: They were all bent on idolatry. Here it is written, ‘let us make us a name,’ while elsewhere it is written, ‘…and make no mention of the name of other gods’ (Shemot 23:13). Just as there (in Shemot) [it means] idolatry, 20 so too here [it means] idolatry. Rabbi Yochanan said: A third of the tower was burnt, a third sunk [into the earth], and a third is still standing. Rav said: The atmosphere of the tower causes forgetfulness. Rav Yosef said: Bavel and Borsif are bad omens for Torah. What [is the meaning of the name] Borsif? Rabbi Assi said: An empty well.(Talmud sanhedrin 109)

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Read carefully Korede Olawoyin " ‘Let us ascend and wage war,’ were turned to apes, spirits, devils, and night-demons.".

The Jews won't ask the same question as you did, since their own Talmud makes mention of people being turned into apes. even the Jews know better then you.

The problem with Korede is, he likes distancing himself from truth. Yesterday Korede made a post asking "is there any evidence of Jews turning into apes?" today he asks, Hadith from both Sahih Bukhari and Muslim say, Jews turned into rats?

Correction, Hadith states

"A group of Israelite's were lost. Nobody knows what they did" Read carefully what you posted "NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY DID" "NOBODY" thus, how do you expect to have historical evidence when "NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY DID" this would also include historians whom korede is seeking. however the Temple curtain was always in the sight of Jewish rabbis, why then did they refrain from writing the curtain tore in half if hundreds of Jews would be inside worshipping?

In fact, korede maybe you can tell us what happened to the 12 lost tribe historically? What exactly did they all randomly disappear, what exactly happened to them? can you disprove a group of them did not turn into rats? If you can please show us evidence of each and every tribal men.

If Moses was able to turn his staff into a serpent, it's not impossible for God to turn a group of disobedient Jews into apes and rats. Does not you bible say "with God nothing is impossible?" are you disputing matters of the unseen? According to your bible, God can create children from rocks?

Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones. (Matthew 3:9)

Assuming you want historical proof for everything, even though you ignored my post on the temple curtain. Maybe you can tell us how can God create children out of rocks and not able to turn into rats or apes? Is your God that limited?

If Satan was able to turn into a snake according to your bible, why do you find it difficult to believe a group of Israelites were turned into rats or apes? If that’s the case, then you have to prove to us historically Satan was the snake who spoke in Eden? Or is that pure belief which you can't prove?

Once again, korede failed to answer Talmud Sanhedrin 109 ‘Let us ascend and wage war,’ were turned to apes, spirits, devils, and night-demons.".

1) God can create children from rocks, but is unable to turn disobedient Jews into apes or rats?

2) God allowed Moses's staff to turn into a serpent and crocodile (yes crocodile), yet is unable to turn disobedient Jews into apes or rats?

3) The Hadith is clear a group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. If nobody knew what they did how are you expecting historical evidence?

4) The Talmud says people who challenged God at the tower of babel were turned to apes, spirits, devils, and night-demons.". What historical evidence you do have to that?

5) If Satan was able to change into a snake, why is it impossible for God to turn disobedient Jews into apes or rats?

And finally, Korede must show us what happened to the 12 lot tribe of Israelite's and that not a single one was transformed into ape or rats. Note the Hadith says "a group of Israelite's were lost. Nobody knows what they did"

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The sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn down the middle. (Luke 23:45)

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There is no historical evidence that the temple veil tore in half. What's fascinating is, that we have Judaic source to show how thick the veil was, proving this event was another blunder made up by the unknown writers.

Rabban Simon b. Gamaliel says in the name of R. Simon, the High-priest’s substitute, “The thickness of the veil [of the Temple] was a hand-breadth. It was woven of seventy-two cords, each cord consisting of twenty-four strands. Its length was forty cubits, by twenty in width. It was made by eighty-two myriads of damsels, and two such veils were made every year. It took three hundred priests to immerse and cleanse it [if it becomes unclean].” (Jacob ben Solomon, Agadat En Yaakov, pp. 208 )

Note, Gamaliel was supposed to be the teacher of Paul Acts 22:3. He also broad description given on how large the veil was. Now if Christians say this was supernatural, why didn't the Jewish rabbis, scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees record such an event? Surely many people must of witnessed the torn curtain, did they all forget to make mention of such an epic event?

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Another made up story

 

How did Jesus’ escape being caught and trialled by the roman authorities, after causing mass disturbance to the temple?

According to the gospel, Jesus not only vandalised the market in the temple by overturning tables and benches. According to John, Jesus made a whip out of cord and drove out the money changers and even animals.

 This would be impossible for Jesus to do without getting arrested and charged. The temple was always heavily guarded by roman soldiers (Josephus, The Jewish War, p. 323) 

 As money from the trading inside the temple was revenue to the roman authorities taken as tax. Also, Pontius Pilate said, he found no basis to charge Jesus? What even after he caused mayhem/disruption inside the temple in front of a crowd?

 Why didn't the Roman soldiers arrest Jesus and put him on trial? After all, causing disorder and vandalising property which belonged to the roman authorities, would be a capital offence, so what happened?

 Are you saying, the romans and Jews forget such a big incident and didn't think it was good enough to bring it up during the trial of Sanhedrin or Pontius Pilate?

 

Serious authorship dispute !!!!

Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth. (Numbers 12:3)

Interestingly, biblical commentators tell us this verse could not have been written by Moses, rather it was written much later.

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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(3) Now the man Moses was very meek . . . —These words have been urged by some as an argument against the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch generally, or of the Book of Numbers in particular, but whether they may or may not have been inserted by a later writer, this inference is altogether unfounded. It is possible that the writer of Deuteronomy 34:10may have inserted these words in this place

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Matthew Poole's Commentary

This is added as the reason why Moses took no notice of their reproach, but was one that heard it not, and why God did so speedily and severely plead Moses’s cause, because he did not avenge himself.

Quest. 1. Did it become Moses thus to commend himself?

Answ. 1. The holy penmen of Scripture are not to be measured or censured by other profane writers, because they are guided by special instinct in every thing they write; and as they ofttimes publish their own and their near relations’ greatest faults, where it may be useful to the honour of God, and the edification of the church in after-ages; so it is not strange if for the same reasons sometimes they commend themselves, especially when they are forced to it by the insolence and contempt of their adversaries, which was Moses’s case here, in which case St. Paul also commends himself, 2 Corinthians 11:5, &c. 2 Corinthians 12:11,12; which they might the better do, because all their writings and carriage made it evident to all men that they did not this out of vain-glory, and that they were exalted above the affectation of men’s praises, and the dread of men’s reproaches.

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Jamieson-fausset- brown bible commentary

But it is not improbable that, as this verse appears to be a parenthesis, it may have been inserted as a gloss by Ezra or some later prophet. Others, instead of "very meek," suggest "very afflicted," as the proper rendering.

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Pulpit commentary

The verse bears a difficulty on its very face, because it speaks of Moses in terms which could hardly have been used by Moses of himself.

And those are Christian biblical commentators not Muslims, doesn't this crumble the authenticity of the bible? One doesn't even know who wrote this section it's gets worse below we shall use the same passage but use another statement and see how it contradicts :

Bible says Moses was a very calm and humble man?

Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth. (Numbers 12:3)

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Yet this humble and calm man committed horrific atrocities by the command of Yahweh.

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every little girl who has never slept with a man. ( Number 31:17-18)

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The question is, was Jesus aware of the violence and terror caused by Moses which he did by command of Yahweh? Or did he take Moses for being a humble and calm man? And if He knew his acts of terror did he condemn those actions or not, if not why?

How can taking little infant girls be equal to being a humble calm then anyone on earth?

The Way Truth and Life .....

The Way Truth and Life yes Prophet Muhammed Pbuh is Mentioned with such Qualities :

He is on the straight path the Right Way

And indeed, (O Muhammad), you guide to a straight path. (Ash-Shura 42:52)

Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." ( surah 7:58)

Then We put thee on the (right) Way of Religion: so follow thou that (Way), and follow not the desires of those who know not. (Surah 45:18)

( also quote Surah 36:3-4)

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He is Sadiq (Truthful) 

And when the believers saw the clans, they said: This is what Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger promised us, and Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger are true, and it only added to their faith and submission (to Allah). (33:22)

He brought the truth

And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished away. Undoubtedly, the falsehood is ever bound to vanish. (17:81)

And he who has come with the truth and he who accepts it as the truth, such are those that guard (against evil). (39:33)

How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and had witnessed that the Messenger is true and clear signs had come to them? And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. [Surah 3:86]

Also Surah 35:24

“The Prophet (ﷺ) , he said, "Don't you trust me though I am the truth worthy man of the One in the Heavens, and I receive the news of Heaven (i.e. Divine Inspiration) both in the morning and in the evening?” [Sahih Bukhari 4351, Sahih Muslim 1064b]


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He calls you to that which gives you life

O you who believe! Answer (the call of) Allah and the (Prophetic) Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life, and know that Allah comes between the man and his own heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered. (8:24)



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John 14:6 has been cancelled, nullified, invalidated, voided, overridden, overthrown, overturned, revoked, scrapped, abolished, vacated, withdrawn, disannulled, countermanded by Surah 4:13

These are the limits set by Allah. Whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, He will admit him to gardens beneath which rivers flow, where he will live forever. That is a great success. (Surah 4:13)

God has promised those who believe and work righteousness: they will have forgiveness and a great reward.(Surah 5:9)

The Words of Allah Swt overrides the sayings of any man or jinn. Thus, John 14:6 holds no authority. Jesus of the bible is not the only way to God. Christians must Submit

30. Surely, those who say: “Our Lord is God,” and then go straight, the angels will descend upon them: “Do not fear, and do not grieve, but rejoice in the news of the Garden which you were promised. (Surah 41:30)

 Those who believe, and do good deeds, and pray regularly, and give charity—they will have their reward with their Lord; they will have no fear, nor shall they grieve. (Surah 2:177)

 

Which Torah is correct?

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

(Deuteronomy 4:2)

Which Torah is right?? Focus on verse 4 additional commandment are found in the Samaritan Torah whereas form the Masoretic Torah it's missing ?.. according to deuteronomy that's a direct violation to Yahweh but the question is which version is correct?

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instead of bringing it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to present it as an offering to the Lord in front of the tabernacle of the Lord—that person shall be considered guilty of bloodshed; they have shed blood and must be cut off from their people. (Leviticus 17:4)

(MASORETIC TORAH)

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And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, "TO OFFER BURNT OFFERING OR PEACE OFFERING TO THE LORD GOD THE DELIGHTFUL FRAGRANCE AND HE IS SLAYING IT OUTSIDE OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE TENT OF APPOINTMENT" and not he brought it to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

(Leviticus 17:4)

(SAMARITAN TORAH)

The additional sayings are in capital letters to show you the difference between the two versions... Again which is inspired ??

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Which Torah is correct?

And they rose early in the morning and went up to the heights of the hill country, saying, “Here we are. We will go up to the place that the Lord has promised, for we have sinned.” (Numbers 14:40 Masoretic Torah)

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And they rose up early in the morning, and gat them up into the top of the mountain, saying, Lo, we [be here], and will go up unto the place which the LORD hath promised: for we have sinned. "And the LORD God saying to Moses: speak to them that not you shall ascend and not you shall battle, as there is no me within you and you will be defeated before faces of your enemies."

(Numbers 14:40 Samaritan Torah)


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Which Torah is correct?

It's funny when Christians tell us the Torah they read is 100%  prestige and not a single word has been added or deleted. if this is really the case, then maybe they can tell us which Torah is correct?

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Place the table outside the curtain on the north side of the tabernacle and put the lampstand opposite it on the south side (Exodus 26:35 Masoretic Torah)

Extended version

And thou shalt set the table without the veil, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side. And thou shalt make an altar to burn incense upon: [of] shittim wood shalt thou make it. A cubit [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit the breadth thereof; foursquare shall it be: and two cubits [shall be] the height thereof: the horns thereof [shall be] of the same. And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, the top thereof, and the sides thereof round about, and the horns thereof; and thou shalt make unto it a crown of gold round about. And two golden rings shalt thou make to it under the crown of it, by the two corners thereof, upon the two sides of it shalt thou make [it]; and they shall be for places for the staves to bear it withal. And thou shalt make the staves [of] shittim wood, and overlay them with gold. And thou shalt put it before the veil that [is] by the ark of the testimony, where I shall appoint my name. And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations. Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon. And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it [is] most holy unto the LORD. (Exodus 26:35 Samaritan Torah)

So seductive

The disciples found it a problem when Jesus was talking to a samaritan woman, yet they never objected his feet being kissed and perfumed by a whore called Mary?(possibly Magdalene)

Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, "What do you want?" or "Why are you talking with her?"

(John 4:27)

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Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

(John 12:3)

As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

(Luke 7:38)

Now here's the awkward part if a man gets his feet perfumed and wiped by the hair of a woman how do you think he will feel. Wouldn't he get sexual urges after that, her soft hands holding his feet whilst wiping her eyes on his feet so the tears touch it, a very seductive moment. What kinds of thought do you think would go through the man?  Same goes for the woman what was she thinking when she was touching his feet and rubbing her face and hair ?

Was Moses the author of the Torah?

Do you believe Moses wrote the Torah that u currently posses ? 

Below I shall show you how Moses was not the supposed Author of the Torah that jews and Christians claim to have with them? I will only produce two points and shatter there entire false claim!

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(Point one) 

Was Moses humble, or Evil, How did Moses describe Himself?

Now this man Moses was exceedingly humble (Meek), more so than any person on the face of the earth. (Numbers 12:3)

The meekest man on the face of the earth would never say that he was meek. Moreover, the meek man does not appear to be very meek in the judgments that he gives in the same book of the Bible:

"And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves." Num.31: 14-18

How does the Most humblest man who ever lived on the face of the earth according to Numbers 12:3 command such an atrocity on people? Killing everyone even animals and keeping little girls for themselves?

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(Second point)

How did Moses get water out of the rock, Moses contradicts himself???????

(By smiting it.)

And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go. Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. Exodus 17:5

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(By talking to it.)

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water. Numbers 20:7-8

Both can't be correct especially when the supposed Author was the one commanded to do so? How could he have given different contradictory statements? How is that even reliable..... 

Lying, Stealing and Cheating in Jewish Talmud

The Jewish Talmud makes several provisions for Jews to lie to, steal from, and cheat Gentiles.  As usual, the only rule is that the Jew must not get caught (“profane the name” of Jews and/or their god). According to the Talmud Jews must return the lost items of other Jews, but they may keep the lost items they find of “heathens”, unless they think the non-Jew will find out about the theft. In a commercial transaction, if a Gentile makes a mistake in a Jew’s favor (for example, if the Gentile undercharges the Jew), the money does not have to be returned. Some commentators say that a Gentile may be actively and intentionally misled and deceived during a commercial transaction by disguising the low quality of goods.  There are even provisions for directly stealing from Gentiles, the perverse thinking behind this is that a Jew would give the objects for free while the Gentile would ask for payment, so it is ok to steal it from the Gentile.

JEWS MAY KEEP OBJECTS LOST BY GENTILES, BUT NOT THOSE OF JEWS
UNLESS THEY THINK THEY WILL GET CAUGHT (PROFANE THE “NAME” OF GOD) 

. His lost article is permissible, for R. Hama b. Guria said that Rab stated: Whence can we learn that the lost article of a heathen is permissible? Because it says: And with all lost thing of thy brother’s: it is to your brother that you make restoration, but you need not make restoration to a heathen. But why not say that this applies only where the lost article has not yet come into the possession of the finder, in which case he is under no obligation to look round for it, whereas if it had already entered his possession, why not say that he should return it. — Said Rabina: And thou hast found it surely implies that the lost article has already come into his possession. It was taught: R. phinehas b. Yair said that where there was a danger of causing a profanation of the Name, even the retaining of a lost article of a heathen is a crime. – 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 113b

IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO PROFIT FROM THE MISTAKE OF A GENTILE
Samuel said: It is permissible, however, to benefit by his mistake as in the case when Samuel once bought of a heathen a golden bowl under the assumption of it being of copper for four zuz, and also left him minus one zuz. R. Kahana once bought of a heathen a hundred and twenty barrels which were supposed to be a hundred while he similarly left him minus one zuz and said to him: ‘See that I am relying upon you.’ - 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 113b

IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HIDE THE LOW QUALITY OF PRODUCTS FROM GENTILES

Rabina together with a heathen bought a palm-tree to chop up [and divide]. He thereupon said to his attendant: Quick, bring to me the parts near to the roots, for the heathen is interested only in the number [but not in the quality]. - 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 113b

DIRECT THEFT FROM GENTILES (BECAUSE A JEW WOULD GIVE IT FOR FREE)

R. Ashi was once walking on the road when he noticed branches of vines outside a vineyard upon which ripe clusters of grapes were hanging. He said to his attendant: ‘Go and see, if they belong to a heathen bring them to me,27  but if to an Israelite do not bring them to me.’ The heathen happened to be then sitting in the vineyard and thus overheard this conversation, so he said to him: ‘If of a heathen would they be permitted?’ — He replied: ‘A heathen is usually prepared to [dispose of his grapes and] accept payment, whereas an Israelite is generally not prepared to [do so and] accept payment. - 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 113b

Footnote 27: Especially since the branches were outside the vineyard and thus probably overhanging a public road; cf. B.B. II, 14.

LIE TO NON-JEWS TO WIN LEGAL BATTLES UNLESS THEY THINK THEY WILL GET CAUGHT (PROFANE THE “NAME” OF GOD)

‘Where a suit arises between an Israelite and a heathen, if you can justify the former according to the laws of Israel, justify him and say: ‘This is our law’; so also if you can justify him by the laws of the heathens justify him and say [to the other party:] ‘This is your law’; but if this can not be done, we use subterfuges to circumvent him.  This is the view of R. Ishmael, but R. Akiba said that we should not attempt to circumvent him on account of the sanctification of the Name. Now according to R. Akiba the whole reason [appears to be,] because of the sanctification of the Name, but were there no infringement of the sanctification of the Name, we could circumvent him!  - 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 113a

JEWS ARE NOT LIABLE FOR PROPERTY DAMAGE TO GENTILES (THE EXCUSE OF “RECIPROCITY” IS GIVEN)

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF PRIVATE OWNER’S CATTLE GORING AN OX CONSECRATED TO THE TEMPLE, OR CONSECRATED CATTLE GORING A PRIVATE OX, THERE IS NO LIABILITY, FOR IT IS STATED: THE OX OF HIS NEIGHBOUR, NOT [THAT IS TO SAY] AN OX CONSECRATED TO THE TEMPLE. WHERE AN OX BELONGING TO AN ISRAELITE HAS GORED AN OX BELONGING TO A CANAANITE, THERE IS NO LIABILITY,[12] WHEREAS WHERE AN OX BELONGING TO A CANAANITE GORES AN OX BELONGING TO AN ISRAELITE, WHETHER WHILE TAM OR MU’AD, THE COMPENSATION IS TO BE MADE IN FULL. - 1962 Soncino Babylonian Talmud Baba Kamma 37b

FOOTNOTE 12: As Canaanites did not recognise the laws of social justice, they did not impose any liability for damage done by cattle. They could consequently not claim to be protected by a law they neither recognised nor respected, cf. J. T. a.l. and Maim. Yad, Niz. Mam. VIII, 5. [In ancient Israel as in the modern state the legislation regulating the protection of life and property of the stranger was, as Guttmann. M. (HUCA. III 1 ff.) has shown, on the basis of reciprocity. Where such reciprocity was not recognised, the stranger could not claim to enjoy the same protection of the law as the citizen.]

Once again another passage from Luke is Exposed !!

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." 

(Luke 23:34)

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Luke 23:34 is one of the most famous sayings of the Bible because it is one of the so called apparent seven last words of Christ from the cross: “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” It's a saying nearly all Christian Pastors deliver or shall I say hammer down during there Sermon.

Well guess what? this is gonna HURT CHRISTIANS that saying that Christians brag about never was said by Jesus, it's not found in the most earliest and ancient manuscripts, it's a later addition, a fabricated verse by later scribes... 

Let us read what bibles scholars have to say? :

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Bruce Metzger, in A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (New York: United Bible Societies, 1994, pages 154, writes:

The absence of these words from... early and diverse... witnesses is most impressive and can scarcely be explained as a deliberate excision by copyists who, considering the fall of Jerusalem to be proof that God had not forgiven the Jews, could not allow it to appear that the prayer of Jesus had remained unanswered. At the same time, the logion, though probably not a part of the original Gospel of Luke, bears self-evident tokens of its dominical origin, and was retained, within double square brackets, in its traditional place where it had been incorporated by unknown copyists relatively early in the transmission of the Third Gospel.

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Jesus and the New Age according to St. Luke: A Commentary on the Third Gospel, by Frederick W. Danker (St. Louis: Clayton Publishing, 1972, page 237) comments:

The prayer in vs. 34 is in such harmony with the spirit of Luke's gospel and his picture of Jesus that it is difficult to question its authenticity. Yet is even more difficult to account for its omission in a number of manuscripts. It has indeed been argued that the prayer was omitted because of a conviction that the destruction of Jerusalem was God's judgment for the crucifixion, but a similar omission does not appear at Acts 2:38-39, where forgiveness is proclaimed to Israel. It is more probable that the prayer uttered by Stephen (Acts 7:60) suggested a parallel utterance for the passion account. Also, in its present position it interrupts Luke's sketch of the mockery and destroys the dramatic impact of the word addressed to the repentant outlaw (vs. 43). In vs. 43. If the words were originally included by Luke, they inform the reader that Jesus did not threaten his executioners, as the condemned were accustomed to do, but rather accepted his death as a faithful witness should. Thus in the Martyrdom of Isaiah (5:14) the prophet is praised for neither crying aloud nor weeping when he was sawn apart. By contrast, the psalmist cries for vengeance (Psalm 69:22-28; see on Luke 23:46).

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The New American Bible (World Catholic Press, 1987, includes the following footnote:

This portion of v 34 does not occur in the oldest papyrus manuscript of Lk and in other early Greek manuscripts and ancient versions of wide geographical distribution.

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The Revised English Bible (Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press, 1996, includes the following footnote:

Some witnesses omit Jesus said, 'Father...doing.'

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The Complete Text of the Earliest New Testament Manuscripts, Philip Comfort in New Testament Text and Translation Commentary (p239f.) writes:

The omission of these words in early and diverse manuscripts (the earliest being Papyrus 75) cannot be explained as a scribal blunder. But were the words purposely excised? … It is easier to explain that the words were not written by Luke but were added later (as early as the second century–for it is attested to by Hegesippus [who ascribes the saying to James in Acts] and the Diatessaron)… My guess is that the words were added to make Jesus the model for Christian Martyrs–of offering forgiveness to one’s executioners…. 

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There you go another blow on Christians..... Shows how Christians preach a saying which never was said by there so called saviour... They should feel ashamed of themselves after reading this.... This knocks down the last seven so called words to six right lol

SHAME  !!!

Narrated 'Abdullah: As if I saw the Prophet talking about one of the prophets whose nation had beaten him and caused him to bleed, while he was cleaning the blood off his face and saying, "O Allah! Forgive my nation, for they have no knowledge."

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_disp...t=0&number=683 (http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=56&translator=1&start=0&number=683)




There is absolutly 0 evidence to suggest this is talking about Jesus(pbuh). In fact most scholars believe this could be refering to either Noah(pbuh) or Prophet Muhamamd(pbuh).

Ibn Hajar al Asqalani in his commentary on the hadith says that it is possible that it is referring to Prophet Noah (peace be upon him) since Ibn Ishaq narrates that once when Noah was choked until he lost consciousness and then when he woke up he said "Oh Allah forgive my people for they know not".

Ibn Hajar also quotes Imam Qurtubi and Ibn Hibban who stated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is most likely speaking about himself.

During the battle of Uhud when the Meccans were surrounding the Prophet (peace be upon him) and were about to kill him and the Prophet (peace be upon him) had blood on his face, he exclaimed, "O Allâh, forgive my people for they have no knowledge." (See Ibn Hajar, Fathul Bari, Kitab: Ahaadeeth Al Anbiya', Bab: Hadeeth Al Ghaar, Hadith no. 3218, Source (http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&ID=6265&SearchText=æÌåå&SearchType=exact&Scope=0&Offset=20&SearchLevel=QBE))

This story from the Battle of Uhud is found in the wonderful book "The Sealed Nectar"...

At-Tabarani states that the Prophet [pbuh] said: "Allâh's Wrath is great on those who besmear the face of His Messenger," observed silence for a short while and then resumed saying:

"O Allâh, forgive my people for they have no knowledge." [Fath Al-Bari 7/373]
In Sahih Muslim it is stated that the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] said:
"My Lord, forgive my people for they have no knowledge." [Sahih Muslim 2/108]
In Ash-Shifa ' a book by 'Ayad Al-Qadi ' it is related that the Prophet [pbuh] said:
"O Allâh, guide my people for they have no knowledge." [Ash-Shifa 1/81] (Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri, Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (THE SEALED NECTAR), Chapter: The Battle of Uhud, Source (http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch4s7.html#The Most Awkward Hour in the Messenger's Life))

True or False?

Almost all Christians  claim they have the Holy Spirit with them (or inside them). This is the point when they start to prophesy and boast they were inspired by the Holy Spirit but, the  question is, how do they know they don't have an "Evil Spirit" with them? It's Clear from the Bible Yahweh has "Two Spirits" which possesses  humans, one "Good the other Evil"

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Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD terrorized him. (1 Samuel 16:14)

("The evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied.")

The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand(1 Samuel 18:10)

What's worse Paul the founder of Christianity wasn't aware if he had the Holy Spirit yet Christians claim they have lol

Yet in my judgment she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 7:40)

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Christians are in big trouble  unless they can prove to us they have the  "Good Spirit" from Yahweh  not the "Evil Spirit" ASK THEM FOR PROOF AND WATCH THEM TURN TO INSULTS!!

(don't forget to ask them how does God have Good and Evil Spirits within him? )

Jewish Oral law

The Oral Law includes all that Moses learned from G‑d by heart which he did not write down, but transmitted orally to his successors. This tradition passed on from generation to generation. The Oral Law also includes edicts and ordinances enacted by the sages throughout the generations, and laws and teachings extrapolated from the Torah's verses -- employing methodology prescribed by Moses (as he was instructed by G‑d).

Click here for a detailed description of the course of tradition.

Mishnah

From Moses until Rabbi Judah the Prince (Rabbenu Hakadosh) the traditional laws were thus learnt by heart and handed down from generation to generation orally. In the 3rd century CE, Rabbenu Hakadosh realized that because of growing hardships and persecutions the Jews might not be able to retain by memory all these traditional laws, so he decided to record them. Being both a great scholar and a man of considerable means, he gathered around him the greatest scholars of his time and recorded all the traditional laws and interpretations of the Torah that they had learnt from their teachers. All this vast knowledge he arranged into six sections:

1. Zeraim-"Seeds"-agricultural laws;
2. Moed-"Season"-laws of Sabbath and Festivals;
3. Nashim-"Women"-marital laws;
4. Nezikin- "Damages"-civil and criminal laws;
5. Kodshim- "Holy Things"-laws of Sacrifices;
6. Taharot- "Purities" - laws of ritual purity.

Each section was further subdivided into tractates, "Mesichtot," each tractate into chapters, and each chapter into Mishnot (sub-sections).

Talmud

The Mishnah was written very concisely, without much discussion or background information. Rabbenu Hakadosh's disciples later compiled the "Toseftot" and "Beraitot" where the subjects of the Mishnah are examined at greater length. The great scholars living after the redaction and completion of the Mishnah, who studied, examined, discussed and interpreted the Mishnah, were called "Amoraim" (meaning "teachers" or "interpreters").

The Mishnah was studied in the great Yeshivot of Israel and Babylon for several centuries. Finally, in the 5th century, Rabbi Ashi, one of the greatest scholars of his time, a man combining both scholarship and wealth, realizing that the growing troubles and sufferings of the Jewish people might cause many of the laws and interpretations of the Mishnah which had been handed down traditionally for many generations, to be forgotten, decided to write them down.

Together with his contemporary, Ravina, and other heads of the Yeshivot in Babylon, they gathered and compiled the Talmud (or Gemarah) -- the Babylonian Talmud, which Jews hold sacred and study to this very day. Some one hundred years earlier, the scholars of Israel had already compiled and arranged the Jerusalem Talmud, which -- although not as authoritative as its Babylonian counterpart -- is also held sacred and studied by scholars to this day.

Rabbanan Sevurai

The scholars who lived after the redaction of the Talmud, were known as Rabbanan Sevurai (Rabbis - interpreters). They subtracted nothing from the Talmud; they merely interpreted it.

Geonim

The great Babylonian scholars, successors to the Rabbanan Sevurai, were called Geonim ("geniuses"). For many years they headed the great Babylonian academies. The last one of them was Hai Gaon.

Rishonim and Acharonim

After the Geonim lived the great scholars: Rabbenu Chananel, Rabbi IsaacAlfasi, Rabbi Joseph ibn Migash, Rashi, Rambam (Maimonides) and others. Rashi (Rabbi Solomon Itzchaki) won immortal fame by his commentaries on the Torah and Talmud, without which it would now be almost impossible to understand either; and Maimonides by his Mishneh Torah ("Repetition of the Law") -- a codification of all the laws of Israel. The grandsons of Rashi together with other great scholars of their time compiled the "Tosefot" commentaries on the Talmud. The scholars who lived approximately the first 500 years after the turn of the millennium are called "Rishonim" (the "first" scholars).

Various great scholars of the following years, known  as "Acharonim" ("latter" sages), gathered the final decisions and settlements of disputed laws, as codified by the Rishonim and arranged them. The most outstanding of them was: the "Author of the Turim," Rabbi Jacob son of the Rabbi Asher. Later, Rabbi Joseph Caro reexamined and recast the law-decisions and arranged them in his famous work the Shulchan Aruch, the famed Code of Jewish Law, so that every Jew could learn and understand them.

The holy Torah--the Written Torah and the Oral Torah--is the Divine gift that G‑d has given us through Moses, on Mount Sinai. This selfsame Torah was handed down by Moses to his successor Joshua, and so on from generation to generation to the present day. As G‑d is eternal, so the Torah which He has given is eternal, and through studying the Torah and observing the precepts and commandments of the Torah, the Jewish people are also eternal.

Did he really have authority??

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (Mathew 28:18)

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Not in heaven.??

“You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is NOT FOR ME to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.” [Matthew 20:23]

Nor on earth .??

We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One (DEVIL) controls the whole world.

(1 John 5:19)

Satan has  more authority then Jesus on earth?

In whom the god of this world (DEVIL) hath blinded the minds of them which believe (2 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan decides what should happen to job from heaven and Yahweh agrees with him

The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD (Job 1:12)

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In short seems like Jesus has no authority on earth or heaven according to the bible....