Jonathan struggles to answer a simple Question!

It's not shocking to see Jonathan in a predicament where he is unable to answer questions posed on him. Take off instance in this video clip which was taken from the debate between Jonathan mclatchie and Dr Shabir Ally in London. During Question time I asked Jonathan a simple Question wether Jesus was God?. If Jesus was God how does God get tempted and bewitched by Satan!. Simple Question right? Not for Jonathan I thought the guy would explode from his facial expression and vocal stuttering. Jonathan was struggling to answer a Simple Question he's desperate attempt made him lose the plot!.

He said God can make Satan do things by his own permission and he used job as an example?. His answer had absolutely no relationship with the question since Satan willing went to Jesus and wiling left him. Notice how Jonathan said God must of given permission to Satan to do certain things? Really Jonathan.!

He further said everything already belonged to Jesus as mentioned in Mark and Matthew but Satan was refereeing to the spiritual kingdom? Jonathan really lost the plot. If that's the case Jonathan Why did Satan offer him the spiritual kingdom when Satan knew  His father was the owner? Jonathan knew he wasn't making any sense so he dropped the mic and sat down.

If Jonathan is troubled by one single Question I asked, I wonder how he's going to cope with Tougher question I have for him.

The Bible alteration is more recent than the introduction of the Happy Meal.

We have evidence of changes that have been made to the Bible, which many Christians regard as the infallible, untouched, and uncorrupted Word of God.

The key question is, where can these alterations be found?

They are found within the Torah, a text read by both Christians and Jews. Let us examine the relevant passages and investigate the claim that corruption entered the text.

The New American Standard Bible is a popular English translation, a revision of the American Standard Version of 1901. It was completed in 1971 and then revised and updated in 1995. I want to highlight one major change in one passage of the NASB — a case in which the 1995 update alters — and is intended to reverse –  the text of the 1971 NASB.

Those dates are important in understanding the reason for this change. …

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Now, let us look at the analysis of come critical Bible verses which have been edited in the context of contemporary views on abortion which brings us to the text I want to highlight here as another example of politicized distortion via translation: (Exodus 21:22-25.)

 

Here is how Exodus 21:22-25 read in the New American Standard Bible’s 1977 revision of its 1971 original translation:

 

“And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is not further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.” (Exodus 21:22-25)

 

You can see how this fits in the context of the chapter. Here is another category of victim for which another set of punishments for violence is given. If a pregnant woman gets struck “so that she has a miscarriage,” but is not herself injured, then the man who struck her must pay a fine. But if the woman herself is injured, then the same rules and punishments for striking any other (non-slave) person apply — “life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, etc.”

But here’s the same passage in 1995 in the updated current version of the NASB:

“If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”  (Exodus 21:22-25)

“So that she has a miscarriage” has been replaced with “so that she gives birth prematurely.”

Wait… what?  Why the distinction between miscarriage and premature birth with no injury (presumably to the fetus/baby)?  Because this change in the text fits with the new view on abortion which started to pervade U.S. politics starting in the late 1970s:

Here's what happend :

something changed between 1977 and 1995 — something that had nothing to do with scholarship, language, accuracy, fidelity or readability.

 

American politics had changed between 1977 and 1995. It had polarized and radicalized millions of American Protestants, rallying them around a single issue and thus, as intended, rallying them behind a single political party.

 

In 1977, the sort of American Protestants who purchased most Bibles couldn’t be summed up in a single word. But by 1995, they could be: “abortion.”

 

And for anti-abortion American evangelicals, Exodus 21:12-27 was unacceptable. It suggested that striking and killing an unborn fetus was in a separate category from striking and killing a “person.” Strike and kill a free person, you get the death penalty. Strike and kill an unborn fetus, you get a fine.

 

And so in 1995, like those earlier translators who invented and inserted “Junias,” the translators of the NASB reshaped this passage. “She has a miscarriage, yet there is not further injury” would, in consideration of the changes in American politics since 1977, henceforth be transformed into “she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury.”

 

Politics — specifically, the political desire to control women — shaped the translation of that text. The translators changed the words of the Bible to make it seem like it supported their political agenda. They changed the words of the Bible so that others reading it would not be able to see that its actual words challenged and contradicted their political agenda. …

 

Conclusion :

 

So the Bible is the “unchanging and inerrant” word of God Almighty, according to these fundamentalists who “read the Bible literally”… until, apparently, it says something that they don’t like.  And then, what’s the solution?  Apparently, the solution is to change the text to say what they want it to say. Isn't this sufficient evidence proof that the bible has been changed recently.

Imagine due to certain legal policy the words of the bible change!!

Doesn't this remind you of what the book of Jeremiah said?

How can you say we are wise and have the Torah when the lying scribes have changed it (Jeremiah 8:8)

 

The (Real) Ten Commandments (EXPOSED)

                              

Most people are familiar with the "Ten Commandments" that were given to Moses in the book of Exodus (Ex. 20:3-17), but what these people don't realize, is that these are not the Ten Commandments that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant.  God didn't even call the commandments mentioned in Exodus 20, The Ten Commandments.  The actual Ten Commandments were given in Exodus 34:14-26.  As you can see below, they are much different than the ones that Christians are fighting to put up in our schools and courtrooms.

                              

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                                   The Ten Commandments

1.  For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

2.  Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3.  The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.

4.  All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

5.  Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

6.  And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7.  Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

8.  Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the feast of the Passover be left until the morning. 

9.  The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

10.  Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

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After giving these commandments, God said...

Exodus 34

27  And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28  And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

This is the only place in the Bible in which you will see commandments from God being call "The Ten Commandments".

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Evidence Jesus was a follower of the Law of OT

A) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”  (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

B) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."  (Luke 16:17 NAB)

C) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."  (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

D) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."  (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

E) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

F) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.  Mark.7:9-13  "Whoever curses father or mother shall die"  (Mark 7:10 NAB)

G) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating.  He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.”  (Matthew 15:4-7)

H) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole.  The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell.  (Matthew 5:27)

I) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.”  This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

J) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

K) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Did King David and King Solomon have the law with them?

Ask any Christian did King David and King Solomon ever read the Torah. The most sound answer would  be a direct yes, but the question is did they really know of the Torah. If they did why didn't they obey certain laws which were directed to them, take for example :

A King must not multiply wives to himself. (Deuteronomy 17 17)

yet we know King Solomon had hundreds of wives (1 Kings 11:1-3). The text even goes as far as saying the more wives you have would turn your heart away from the Lord. Now had King Solomon ever read the Torah wouldn't he apply it's law and commandments upon himself. the the same applied to King David he had many wives, how about this law :

A King must not multiply horses to himself. (Deuteronomy 17:15-16)

Again we know from the Bible King Solomon had thousands of horses. (1 Kings 4:26). Had King Solomon ever read the Torah, or even had it read to him by a priest quoting the law from Deuteronomy wouldn't he have observed it. 

Here's the interesting part which proves King David and King Solomon did not have a copy of the Torah with them. we shall show  how the scribes have tampered with the texts to save themselves from such embarrassments, let's take it step by step.

When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests (Deuteronomy 17:18)

The continuation of the law of Deuteronomy  reads the "King should write for himself on a scroll a copy of the is law"  did this happen? and the answer is no, we have no evidence from the Bible whatsoever, where King David or King Solomon wrote on a scroll a copy of the law The closest we get is, where King David instructs his son King Solomon the following :

"I am going the way of all the earth. Be strong, therefore, and show yourself a man. "Keep the charge of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His ordinances, and His testimonies, according to what is written in the Law of Moses, that you may succeed in all that you do and wherever you turn, 

( 1 kings 2-3)

The above passage could also be used by Christians claiming that King David informed King Solomon to abide by the law of Moses. But notice what the texts from Deuteronomy 17 reads 

"When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests "

Nowhere did King David or King Solomon write for themselves in a scroll the law of Moses. Nor did they abide by the law which King David had instructed his son to keep and follow.

Had King David really followed the book of Deuteronomy then why did he marry so many women, which was forbidden for him to do so according to the divine law. If  Solomon had really followed the Book of Deuteronomy the why did he also marry so many women and own hundred or thousands of horses which was forbidden for him to do so, again according to the divine law. What's worse they never wrote the law on a scroll as instructed not did any of their priests encourage or remind them the law.

Thus the law of Moses or the Torah (Pentateuch) was not available during the time of King David and King Solomon. Ultimately there are no manuscripts of the Pentateuch which dates back to the time of King David or King Solomon. The most earliest manuscripts which is available for the Pentateuch dates back to around 200BC, that's 200 years before the time of Jesus which says a lot, when the Torah from the time of Moses to Jesus would have been around 1500 years, and not a shred of Manuscript can be located for the last 1300 years prior to 200BC. According to Biblical scholars the manuscripts where lost or deteriorated throughout time. The question is if the manuscripts were lost or deteriorated throughout time how do you know what the original is?. No wonder King David and King Solomon did not follow the law since the law wasn't even with them, It was written much later. 

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King David did not punish his son Amnon for raping his sister Tamar why? Read 2 Samuels 13. Rashi says man can marry his step sister.

 

2 samuels 13:13

 

Because he will not keep me from you. I am permitted to you because my mother became pregnant with me when she was still a gentile, pretty woman⁵The laws concerning the taking of gentile woman during war is discused in Devorim begginning in 21:10. The Torah calls her a יְפַת תּוֹאַר, “pretty woman.” that Dovid took conjugally in war. And someone who has a son or daughter from a gentile handmaid is not considered his child for any legal matter.

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Jesus of the NT did not inherit the throne

When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests (Deuteronomy 17:18)

If Jesus took the throne of David, Luke 1:32 when did he write his own scroll of law of the priest & follow it?

 Deuteronomy 17:19 further states:

"It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees" 

Are they all gods?

Below is a small sample on how names can be attributed to God yet no Jew thinks them to be God, unlike Christians who think calling jesus Lord or Emmanuel makes him God!. All those listed names of people and places will destroy that weak argument Christians make. There's also a list of who is speaking God or the author You decide.

There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel. (Genesis 33:20)

Hebrew (אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֵ֖ל) the god, is the altar god?

Moses built an altar and called it The LORD is my Banner. (Exodus 17:15)

Hebrew ( נִסִּֽי׃ יְהוָ֥ה) yahwh is the banner Is god the banner of the alter?

So Gideon built an altar to the LORD there and called it The LORD Is Peace. To this day it stands in Ophrah of the Abiezrites. (Judges 6:24)

Hebrew (יְהוָ֥ה) yahwh Is the alter god??

There was a certain man from Ramathaim, a Zuphite from the hill country of Ephraim, whose name was Elkanah son of Jeroham, the son of Elihu, the son of Tohu, the son of Zuph, an Ephraimite. (1 Samuels 1:1)

Hebrew ( אֱלִיה֛וּא) ’ĕ-lî-hū  means my god is he!, Does that make Elihu a god?

Year after year this man went up from his town to worship and sacrifice to the LORD Almighty at Shiloh, where Hophni and Phinehas, the two sons of Eli, were priests of the LORD. (1 Samuel 1:3)

Hebrew ( עֵלִ֗י) Eli means my god Does that make Eli a god?

He went to his father's home in Ophrah and on one stone murdered his seventy brothers, the sons of Jerub-Baal. But Jotham, the youngest son of Jerub-Baal, escaped by hiding. (Judges 9:5)

Hebrew (יוֹתָ֧ם) yō-w-ṯām jotham means the perfect god Is jotham a perfect god??

Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (Exodus 7:1)

Hebrew (אֱלֹהִ֑ים) Was Moses a god?

then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

(Exodus 21:6)

Hebrew (הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים) judges are referred as Elohim Are judges gods??

"The strong among the mighty ones shall speak of him and his helpers from the midst of Sheol, 'They have gone down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.' (Ezekiel 32:21)

Hebrew (גִּבֹּרִֽיםאֵלֵ֧י  ) Were they all gods??

In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. (2 kings 18:1)

Hebrew(חִזְקִיָּ֥ה) Hezekiah means mighty god Is Hezekiah a god?

But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,(Genesis 49:24)

Is god the rock of isreal?

For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (1 Peter 2:6)

Is god a stone?

So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. (Isaiah 28:16)

Is god a stone??

Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, (Matthew 1:3)

Was ram the Hindu god his ancestor?

"A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." (Matthew 2:18)

Hindu Rama??

And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already. (Exodus 1:5)

Out of his loins ?

If you dwell in this land, I will build you up and I will not pluck you up, for I have repented of the evil that I have done to you. (Jeremiah 42:10)

Does Yahweh repent ?

Jacob set up a stone pillar at the place where God had talked with him, and he poured out a drink offering on it; he also poured oil on it. (Genesis 35:14)

Jacob offering drink to a stone pillar?

 

And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? (Zachariah 3:2)

Was this Lord speaking of another Lord?

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Whos speaking?

Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; (Genesis 19:24)

The Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, (Exodus 34:5-7)

The LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?" (Zachariah 3:2)

I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the Lord.( Amos 4:11)

But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. (Hosea 1:7)

And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. (Exodus 3:12)

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance,(Exodus 24:1)

The LORD set a definite time, saying, "Tomorrow the LORD will do this thing in the land."So the LORD did this thing on the next day, and (Exodus 9:5-6)

How can you even think of taking this book seriously ?

The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. (Exodus 33:11)

Whoever inserted the text saying that God spoke to Moses "face to face, as one speaks to a friend.  (Exodus 33:11) apparently failed to check that this was consistent with the main narrative, which at verse 20 has God saying to Moses "you cannot see my face

But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." (Exodus 33:20)

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Christians may try to respond by saying “no that was a metaphorical statement it wasn't a literal Face to Face” but notice the proceeding statement “THEN Moses would return to the camp”. Moses would return to the camp, which means he would have met Yahweh in person like a friend does and have a chat and then get back to his camp. It’s  pretty clear this isn't a metaphorical statement, rather a  literal one.

This puts Christians into a dilemma, if Moses saw the Face of Yahweh why did Yahweh lie and say no man can see his face? If he didn't see Yahweh's Face why does the text say Moses would speak Face to Face like one speaks to his friend?  And please save yourselves from embarrassment by saying one can speak to his friend over the Phone without seeing him. There was No Phones 3000 years ago!!

It makes no sense, one moment Yahweh and Moses speak face to face, next moment Yahweh says to Moses he can’t see his face. unless the entire story was a lie made up by people who did not know what the proceeding verses were as the texts were being tampered and updated.

Yahweh could not preserve or protect his words/scriptures

Nowhere in the entire bible do we find God saying he is the author of the bible nor do we find God saying he will protect and preserve the bible. Now Christians often respond by quoting a certain verse from the bible, thinking this would support their bible from getting dismissed as unauthentic :

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. (Deuteronomy 4:2)

Thes also a similar statement found in the book of revelations slightly altered, Here's the problem with this verse notice how the author let's use the name Yahweh for now, is commanding "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it". This is telling us that Yahweh is not saying he will Protect or Guard the Scriptures rather he's commanding the Jews not to change the the text??

There is no absolute guarantee that this commandment can be truly fulfilled knowing this task has been given to mortals who are bound to make mistakes and turn their ways. Satan can easily corrupt man and  changes have been made to the text and as we will see. Either Yahweh did not want his Scriptures to be preserved or he  simply was not able to just like he couldn't stop iron chariots!

If Yahweh thought mortals can preserve his words and scriptures then how does one explain Moses addressing his people telling them they will turn to corruption!.

For I know your rebellion and your stubbornness; behold, while I am still alive with you today, you have been rebellious against the LORD; how much more, then, after my death? Assemble before me all the elders of your tribes and all your officials, so that I can speak these words in their hearing and call the heavens and the earth to testify against them For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and arouse his anger by what your hands have made (Deuteronomy 31:27-29)

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Notice how Moses knew the attitudes of there rebellious people and predicted they will turn to corruption so he asked the leaders to place the Torah in the ark of Covenent for it will always be safe there, but even that has been gone the ark of the covenant it missing which means the original Torah is no longer with us.. So how does one verify what the Torah said during the time of Moses? The Jews are not trust worthy according to Moses,  even Yahweh  confess the Torah has been changed :

How can you say we are wise and have the Torah with us when the pen of the false scribes have changed it! (Jeremiah 8:8)

(A sample to this can be traced through different versions of Torah e.g )

And Nahor lived nine and seventy years, and begat Terah:

(Genesis 11:24 Samaritan Torah)

And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

(Genesis 11:24 Masoretic Torah)

And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha. 

(Genesis 11:24 Septuagint Torah)

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And when you have crossed the Jordan, set up these stones on Mount Ebal, as I command you today, and coat them with plaster.

(Deuteronomy 27:4 Masoretic text)

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And when you have crossed the Jordan, set up these stones on MOUNT GERIZIM, as I command you today, and coat them with plaster.

(Deuteronomy 27:4 Samaritan text)

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He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

(Genesis 16:12 Masoretic text)

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He will be a FRUITFUL MAN; his hand will be with everyone and everyone's hand will be with him, and he will live among all his brothers."

(Genesis 16:12 Samaritan text) 

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But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it. "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said.

(Exodus 4:25 Masoretic Torah )

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But seeboorah took a flint, and she CIRCUMCISED HER BLOCKED HEART and she brought herself to his feet and she said you are a bridegroom of blood to me,"

(Exodus 4:25 Samaritan Torah )

Below  we see Direct commandments have been added and subtracted 

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."( Exodus 20:17 Masoretic Torah)

------------ Extended Version ---------------- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, and not thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's. And when it so happens that LORD God brings you to the land of Caanan, which you are coming to posses, you shall set-up there for you great stones and plaster them with plaster and you write on the stones all words of this law. And it becomes for you that across the Jordan you shall raise these stones, which I command you today, in mountain Grizim. And you build there the altar to the LORD God of you. Altar of stones. Not you shall wave on them iron. With whole stones you shall build the altar to LORD God of you. And you bring on it ascend offerings to LORD God of you, and you sacrifice peace offerings, and you eat there and you rejoice before the face of the LORD God of you. The mountain this is across the Jordan behind the way of the rising of the sun, in the land of Caanan who is dwelling in the desert before the Galgal, beside Alvin-Mara, before Sechem (Exodus 20:17 Samaritan Torah)

We can see from all those above versions, that Torah was not preserved as Christians claim. The original “13 scrolls” which was written by Moses is missing and no longer with us. Now if Christians believe all scriptures are God breathed and inspired then was Moses speaking the truth about Jews turning to Corruption! How about the Torah being distorted by false scribes, I'll leave that to you



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Torah the Extended version!

After that, the people left Hazeroth and encamped in the Desert of Paran.

( Numbers 12:16 Masoretic Torah)

The above was the cut version below is the Extended version?

And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran. And Moses is saying to sons of Israel: You came until the mountain of Amorites that LORD God gave to us. See you, LORD God gave you the land. Now rise and occupy so as spoken LORD God of your fathers to you. But they were afraid and they came to Moses and they said: we shall send mortals from us and they are spying out the land for us. And when they will return they will tell us which was we should ascend there and what cities we will pass upon. And this was good in the eyes of Moses. (Numbers 12:16 Samaritan Torah) 

forged books can't save you!

A while back I challenged Christians on the authenticity of their bible specially the gospels. The question that i asked them was :

How can you prove that the gospels you preach is 100% Authentic and Word of God? What Evidence do you have that the gospels are genuinely True and Jesus actually spoke all those words? 

In short I need you guys to prove and convince me the gospels are 100% word of God true to the very Text and that they are Truly Inspired !! I know Paul said all scriptures are Inspired but when Paul allegedly said that the gospels weren't written? He was referring to the Old Testament so don't try pulling that stunt...

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Now this question was so heavy on Christians as their entire salvation is based on the teaching of Jesus as found in the gospels . Many decided to keep quiet and let the question go by as if they didn't see it, and others true do to insults.  But their were a few who tied to answer this by quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 which I made mention of during my question. Anyway since they've only got this one verse which they can use as their defence to prove the authenticity of the gospels.. Let's find out what really lies behind 2 Timothy 3:16.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)

Dr Erhman wrote on one of his blog and I quote :

"there letters that falsely claim to be written by Paul that are also *in* the New Testament?   Critical scholars (as opposed to fundamentalists and very conservative evangelical Christians) agree that there are.   Scholars normally place the thirteen Pauline letters of the New Testament into three categories:  The Pastoral Epistles of 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus, which are very widely recognized as having been written by someone other than Paul;"

Dr Ehrman also wrote, 

"But one point sometimes raised is that there is so much personal information in 2 Timothy, it is hard to see how it could be forged.  Why, for example, would a forger tell his alleged reader (who was not actually his reader!) to be sure to bring his cloak to him when he comes and also the books he left behind? 

"This objection has been convincingly answered by one of the great scholars of ancient forgery, Norbert Brox, who gives compelling evidence that this kind of "verisimilitude" (as I called it in Chapter 1) is typical for forgeries.  Making the letter sound "homey" removes the suspicion that it's forged.  The personal notices in 2 Timothy....serve, then, to convince readers that this really is written by Paul, even though it is not."

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Critical scholars are not in complete agreement over which books Paul actually wrote, but the “Pastoral Epistles” (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus) are often rejected as authentically Pauline. In fact, these were some of the first books attacked by the critics. In 1807, Friedrich Schleiermacher, known as the father of modern liberalism,10 wrote a letter in which he claimed 1 Timothy must have been penned in the second century AD, because some of the language seemed to be an effort to refute Gnosticism, a heresy that flourished in the second century. Other scholars expanded on this idea and rejected the other Pastorals for the following reasons: the vocabulary used in these books is quite distinct from his other letters, the books do not contain Paul’s typical theological themes, they don’t seem to fit the chronology of Paul’s activities in Acts, and the view of church governance is too advanced for the first century.

The first known attempt to canonize certain writings as authoritative scripture was undertaken by Marcion circa 140 A.D. His canon contained 10 Pauline epistles. He included all of the putative Pauline epistles in our canon (plus a couple extra). Notably absent, however, are 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus.

Similarly, Papyrus 46, a codex of Pauline epistles from about 200 A.D., although damaged, appears to have contained all of the letters traditionally attributed to Paul, except for the Pastorals

Tatian in the mid-second century accepted Titus, but rejected 1 & 2 Timothy.

So the only verse which Christians use to support the authenticity of the gospels is FORGED !! Which means there is no other way to prove the authenticity of the gospels, thus it cannot be taken as the inspired word of God.

How can you say we are wise when the Torah of the Lord has been corrupted by the scribes (Jeremiah 8:8)

Next time Christians please save yourself from the embarrassment of quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 as your evidence!

Reference 

https://ehrmanblog.org/pauline-forgeries-2-thessalonians-as-a-test-case/

1. 10 Ehrman praised Schleiermacher as “one of the most important Christian theologians of the nineteenth century [who] was famous for defending the Christian faith against its ‘cultured despisers’ and for developing distinct theological views that influenced theologians well into the twentieth century.” Ehrman, Forged, p. 95. From a conservative or evangelical viewpoint, Schleiermacher was definitely an important or influential theologian, but not for the right reasons. For example, he had “some serious problems: his experimental form of pantheism; his acceptance of Kantian epistemology; his disjunction of experience and doctrine; his contention that truth does not apply to religion; his reduction of theology to anthropology; and his acceptance of negative higher criticism of the Bible.” Geisler, Norman L. 1999. Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, p. 689. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House.