David wood falls into a big dilemma !!!
Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray. (Proverbs 10:17)
Below I will show wife beating is allowed since it's not prohibited! Also I will shift the gear to another problem which David wood will have to explain..
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To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.
(Proverbs 6:24)
What happens if you have an evil wife? Bible gives you the answer
Beatings and wounds cleanse away evil, and floggings cleanse the innermost being.
(Proverbs 20:30)
So from the above texts the only way to get rid of evils is to Beat it out now one have to ask what about my wife she's not perfect well bible allows you can beat to fix her..
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Next problem David wood has to explain is Jesus himself condoned child killing !! What's worse hitting a disobedient wife after admonishing her or killing you child just because he cursed you?
Jesus condoning the killing of children's through the Torah! Below we read a couple of commandments made by God in the Torah on what punishment should be given to a child who curses his parents..,
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
(Exodus 21:17)
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
(Leviticus 20:9)
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Interesting We read Jesus accepting the law of killing children's who curse their parents!?? Bear in mind he never condemned it rather reminded the Jews how they are not obeying the law.... Only Because the Jews challenged his disciples why they don't wash their hands? I urged you all to read Matthew 15:3-6... I'll only post verses 3-4
But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
(Matthew 15:3-4)
The above verses carry on saying how the Jews don't obey the killing law given in the torah, and they changed it for another... This only tells us Jesus would allow the killing of children's who disobey there parents....
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It's is clear from the above this man Christians call the prince of peace was a obeyer of the OT law and we know that from his own lips (Matthew 5:17) Imagine how many more sick laws are there in the OT that Jesus neither commended nor abrogated... Other then divorce or hate
No wonder we read passages like
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law
against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10, 34, 35).
NOW EITHER DAVID WOOD ACCEPTS THAT CHILD KILLING IS OK, OR HE REJECTS IT WHICH MEANS HE REJECTED THE WORDS OF HIS SO CALLED SAVIÔUR..
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Challenge To David Wood Where in the entire bible is wife beating prohibited ?
To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you. (Genesis 3:16)
For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. (1 Corinthians 11:8 – 9)
Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful. A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you!
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
(Ephesians 5:22-23)
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From the above passages it seems clear that mens are to be obeyed by their wife's no matter what! The bible goes as far as saying if a women commits adultery then a man can divorce her, but does not say the same about the man if he commits adultery? The bible is silent on women divorcing a man? Womens are solely made for men's and men's are not made for women's.... Now that we've established the role of women's towards men's in Christianity The Ultimate Questions is where in the bible is WIFE BEATING PROHIBITED ???
Is there any passages, verse, quotes where WIFE BEATING IS CONDEMNED! Show us one single verse if you can, even use the Catholic bible see if you can find a shred of text to support bible beating is not allowed in the bible below are a few. Ore pointers to cripple your lies that wife's should not be beaten or even worse killed in the bible?
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What should a husband do when her wife seeks for another God or ones sister or mother what does he do?? The bible gives us the answer:
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
(Exodus 22:20 )
Stone everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.
(Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
Isn't this harming your wife? Or killing is prohibited just like this mysterious prohibitions on wife beating that can't be found anywhere in the bible?...
Now Christians may turn to verse like Colossians 3:19 where it states "Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them." Or Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" or Ephesians 5:33 "However, you also, every individual, let each so love his wife as himself; and the wife, that she may respect her husband." 1 Peter 3:7 etc...
Firstly none are spoken by Jesus himself secondly Notice there is still no Prohibition on WIFE BEATING rather a gentle statement be nice to to your wife love them, but what happens when love turns to hate? Jesus himself never addressed this problem so Paul had to write letters to calm down wife beating in Christian community... See how Paul says husbands love your wife as himself SO THE WIFE WILL RESPECT HER HUSBAND! Again we get this superiority from the man..
and one should love his wife that's not a problem it should be encouraged to love each other but what happens when things go bad shouldn't the bible condemn domestic violence towards wives? What is the penalty if a man hits his wife? Just by teaching love your wife doesn't help when the violent part is not addressed... The bible teaches love thy enemy and pray for them this doesn't stop Christians from fighting unbelievers? Again just saying saying love them or everything doesn't fix the problem unless you make mention of bigger issues such as PROHIBITION ON WIFE BEATING!
THERE IS NOT EXPLICIT STATEMENT WHERE WIFE BEATING IS PROHIBITED
Now bible wizards lol show us where wife beating is prohibited its a challenge!
Is hitting a women bad according to the bible? What if she's a Slave she's still a women right ! notice beating a female Slave is a punishable offence only if the slave dies if not not punishment, bear in mind what kind of punishment is not mentioned!
"Anyone who beats their male or FEMALE slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. (Exodus 21:21-22)
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Now let's focus of Judaic oral teachings on how to control ones wife. Let's be fair for once and see what Jewish traditions have to say since Christians like scam shamoun and David wood love attacking Islam wonder if they will do the same for Jewish teachings for example Consider these teachings...
Wife beating Jewish oral law (Talmud/jurisprudence)
-when her husband enters the house, she must rise and cannot sit down until he sits, and she should never raise her voice against her husband. Even if he hits her she has to remain in the silent, because that is how chaste women behave”
*Ẓemaḥ ben Paltoi, gaon of Pumbedita (872–90), allowed a man to flog his wife if she was guilty of assault. Rabbi *Yehudai b. Naḥman (Yehudai Gaon, 757–61) wrote that: "…when her husband enters the house, she must rise and cannot sit down until he sits, and she should never raise her voice against her husband. Even if he hits her she has to remain silent, because that is how chaste women behave" (Oẓar ha-Ge'onim, Ket. 169–70). The ninth-century gaon of Sura, *Sar Shalom b. Boaz (d. c. 859 or 864), distinguished between an assault on a woman by her husband and an assault on her by a stranger. The gaon of Sura's opinion was that the husband's assault on his wife should be judged less severely, since the husband had authority over his wife (Oẓar ha-Ge'onim, BK 62:198).
commentary on the Rambam’s Mishneh Torah. a husband may beat a sinning wife (Hilkhos Ishus 21:10),
(Responsa Binyamin Ze’ev, no. 88). The first three of the five pages of the responsum reflect a very negative attitude toward wife beating. However, on the fourth page, R. Binyamin Ze’ev adds a qualification — that a husband may beat his wife to prevent her from sinning, which includes cursing him or his parents. In other words, R. Binyamin Ze’ev adopts the first view.
“It was taught, R. Meir used to say: Whoever marries his daughter to an am ha-arez is as though he bound and laid her before a lion: just as a lion tears [his prey] and devours it and has no shame, so an am ha-arez strikes [hits/beats] and cohabits and has no shame” (B. Pesahim 49b).
DAVID WOOD HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO!!!
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Stupid logic
Korede wrote
Love, Not BEAT Them.
"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He
who loves his wife loves himself."
This is a dumb
reason from Korede as you'll find out when we unfold it. Notice how korede ran
to Paul to support his claim that wife beating is not allowed?
In this same way,
husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife
loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and
care for their body, just as Christ does the church (Ephesians 5:28-29)
Firstly, scholars
like Dr Bart Ehrman tells us Ephesians may not have been written by Paul, which
dismantles the honesty of this book, forging to be someone else. Secondly,
Korede ran to the New Testament because he knows there is no command from the
Hebrew bible not to beat a disobedient wife.
Saying that, nor does the New Testament teach a disobedient wife should
not be beaten. Saying "love their wives as their own bodies" does not
prove you can't beat your wife if she
turn to disobedience. The question is
does love mean
I tell you,
love your enemies…(Matthew5:44) here Jesus is teaching to love you enemies ,
yet in Luke, Jesus is prophesising what should be done to his enemies when he
returns?
But those enemies of
mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in
front of me.'" (Luke 19:27
For God so loved the
world that he gave his one and only Son… (John 3:16)
Christians doctrine
a "Loving God" killed his own son to show the world how much he loves
them? Do you see how love turns to hate.
Ephesians can't be taken for what it says.
No, I strike a blow
to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I
myself will not be disqualified for the prize. (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Paul strikes his
body to make it his slave. If you love yourself why would you turn to
self-infliction? This would mean, love your wife like yourself by striking her
when needed
Our Christian friend probably haven't put enough attention to what Paul wrote to the Corinthians and Ephesians
No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. (Ephesians 5:22-23)
Notice how Paul strikes himself to make his body his own slave? So if we take Ephesians and add Corinthians, then we have a two way road, especially if you have a wife. One is to love them other beat them. Funny part is, wives must submit to their husbands. Wait what happened to love his wife like himself?
Let's fix this. Love your wife like yourself, and if things go out of hand then beat your wife like yourself. Yes… sounds about right.
How many Christians strike their body like Paul does?
Sage R. Samuel ha-Nagid
in his book of moral epigrams Ben Mishle writes:
Beat your wife daily,
lest she rule over you like a man, and raise her head up/Be not, my son, your
wife’s wife, and let her not be her husband’s husband” (Ben Mishle, 162)
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Child sacrifice was commanded
of the Israelites by Yahweh, the biblical God.
You shall not delay to offer
from the fulness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The
first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your
oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth
day you shall give it to me. (Exodus 22:29-30)
The context of this passage
concerns offerings and sacrifices, and it says God requires firstborn sons to
be literally sacrificed to him. Later on we find Yahweh admitting he commanded
this to Ezekiel
Moreover I gave them statutes
that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I
defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their
first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am
the LORD (Yahweh). (Ezekiel 20:25-26)
Disturbing how Yahweh
intentionally played with the Israelites to teach them a lesson, later
admitting why did he did it.This again goes back to Ezekiel where Yahweh
testifies he is a deceiver.
"If any prophets are
DECEIVED into giving a false answer, it is because I, the LORD, have DECEIVED
them... (Ezekiel 14:9)
In other words Yahweh deceived
Moses the Prophet of the Jews and later tried to justify his deeds to what he
did to his people. Interesting how Yahweh told Ezekiel of his evil scheme.
could it be the later Jews were questioning child sacrifice to Yahweh?
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231. When you
divorce women, and they have reached their term, either retain them amicably,
or release them amicably. But do not retain them to hurt them and commit
aggression. Whoever does that has wronged himself. And do not take God’s
revelations for a joke. And remember God's favor to you, and that He revealed
to you the Scripture and Wisdom to teach you. And fear God, and know that God
is aware of everything. (Surah 2:31)
21. And of His
signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, so that you may
find tranquility in them; and He planted love and compassion between you. In
this are signs for people who reflect. (surah 30:21)
6. Allow them
to reside where you reside, according to your means, and do not harass them in
order to make things difficult for them. If they are pregnant, spend on them
until they give birth. And if they nurse your infant, give them their payment.
And conduct your relation in amity. But if you disagree, then let another woman
nurse him. (Surah 65:6)
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Thomas Aquinas [how to treat your bad wife]
“Reply to Objection 1: The wife can be corrected for her sin of fornication not only by this punishment but also by words and blows; wherefore if she be ready to be corrected otherwise, her husband is not bound to have recourse to the aforesaid punishment in order to correct her.”
[Summa Theological pp. 3277]
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